I think everyone loves what VY did because it is the "dream" finish. It is what every sports fan fantasizes and wishes they could do. Being down in a championship game and against all odds, making the play at the end to win the title. I don't really follow college football because of the whole BCS crap (get a playoff system) but I watched that game and it was one of the best american football games I have ever seen (pro or collegiate). I don't know how VY was all season but dude did put up similar sick numbers last season and brought them back against Michigan. It wasn't the first time he did this. Everyone wants him now because of the poise and leadership he showed. He has that intangeble "IT." That same "IT" that only a few have (i.e. Tom Brady). This usually leads to winning, not just games, but Championships. Dude went out there, down by 12 with under 5 minutes or so left, and looked like he KNEW they would win. He did everything necessary to get it done and looked so calm (like it was no big deal). I like D. Carr but he hasn't shown that and has had 4 years (yeah he hasn't had a great line and this and that but if he were truly great he would have succeeded by now). Carr has gotten a free pass in this city (could it be because of his clean cut pretty boy look?) while other stars in similar positions got ran out of town and criticized to no avail (i.e. Stevie Franchise). In the end it is a win-win situation: Bush or Young? Not bad to choose from...could be worse: Alex Smith or Ronnie Brown.
The one thing that I want to stress to everybody here is that Vince Young is a Quarterback that's a great athlete. He isn't an athlete playing the Quarterback position. He led the whole nation in passing efficiency at one point. The one thing that i've heard from critics is that he doesn't have a big arm. That's totally untrue. I've watched every single longhorn game the last 6 years and i've seen him (in a game) throw 70 yards to Roy Williams against OK.State with ease. The reason why he doesn't throw that many long balls this year is because they changed the scheme for him. There are more slants and outs because we don't have Roy Williams, BJ Johnson and Sloan Thomas anymore. Another thing I want to discount is the notion that he isn't as fast as Mike Vick so his running won't be as effective in the NFL than in the college game. First of all, I don't understand why he's compared to Vicky anyways. The only reason why everyone does this is b/c Vick is the only QB that uses scrambling as a strength of his game. If anything, Young should be compared to Randall Cunningham. He has the size like Cunningham and the arm like him as well. If you watch, whenever Young runs, he runs with a purpose and is totally in control of his body and actions. Whenever Vick runs, it's very wild. Here's a stat I want to throw out: when Vince came out of high school, he was 6-5 195. He was a stick. Do you know how much he weighs now? He's 6-5, 235. Everyone here complains that they don't want a scrambling QB. But look at our very own QB David Carr. I think he leads the league in rushing for a QB. He runs more often than you think. In the end, I want Vince because he has something that I have never seen in not only a QB but just a football player in a very long time: His poise. He never gets rattled, never gets nervous, and he's confident. Because of this, his teammates trust him and in turn don't get nervous as well. This is something you cannot teach.
Just minutes ago during the halftime of the Kansas/Duke game, ESPN said "league sources say the Texans will draft REGGIE BUSH if he declares" regardless if Young comes out or not.
All things considered, is VY more talented than David Carr? If your answer is yes, then what is the debate all about. If your answer is no, enjoy the #1 pick next year too.
That takes nothing of what Reggie Bush is into account. No one is saying VY is not good by saying we should take Reggie Bush, many of us see him as the better overall player. When drafting #1, you always take the best player and that is in my opinion Reggie Bush by far. Maybe I am also swayed by watching him absolutely suck against a horrible Texas A&M defense that got burned by virtually every quarterback in college except Vince. USC got torched on defense by ALOT of teams this year, so excuse me if Vince's dominating game isn't enough to put him in the class of Michael Vick. Bush has done it ALL year long and that is why he was the lock for the Heisman, not Young.
I just think that the QB position is the most important position, and if you you have a better QB available to you then you take him.
No, he really hadn't. Young was the favorite for the Heisman until Reggie's big game against Fresno St. Speaking of the Heisman - the Young vs Bush arguments for drafting are the same arguments that were had about who should win the Heisman, or who would win the Rose Bowl - and all along I heard that only biased Texas fans thought Young was the better player and that only homer "t-sips" thought that Young would perform well enough to beat USC in the Rose Bowl. And we all know what happened.
Granted I believe we may both have skewed visions on this. I live in San Diego so I'm sure all I hear about is Reggie while you guys were hearing about Vince. I just got the perception for most of the year from the national shows that Reggie was the favorite, but I could be wrong there. I was rooting for Texas in the championship because I can't stand SC and their fans. I just think Reggie is a once in 15 years player and VY is good not great. To each his own I guess.
The Heisman straw poll that usually predicts the winner had Vince leading until the Fresno game. Then Bush took over, and it firmed up after the A&M and UCLA games.
Young "sucked" against A&M? Are you kidding? He wasn't great, but he got the job done and he certainly didn't suck. Mediocre at worst. Reggie Bush did it ALL year long? Are you kidding? This is the same back who had: 17 carries, 82 yards, 0 TD; 1 catch, 4 yards, 0 TD against a terrible Cal defense 17 carries, 97 yards, 0 TD against a terrible Washington State defense Young was mediocre against A&M, but to act like Bush didn't have a couple of mediocre games of his own reeks of homerism. ESPN just didn't talk about them for days like they did with Young. If Reggie was a once in 15 years player, why did he only get 19 touches in the Rose Bowl? Why was he not even in the game on the play that decided it all? Pete Carroll's decisions speak volumes. If Vince is a good but not great player, why did he turn in what most analysts termed the best big game performance in the history of football?
this is what i keep coming back to. well said, Cat. he's so special that he can't touch the ball as many times as the other RB on his team or the other "special" players in college football history, particularly in big games. hmmmmm...
u make it sound like ronnie brown is bad.. remember cadillac williams was also in the draft.. those auburn running backs were awesome... so is their top cornerback in carlos rogers... AUBURN WAS JUST AWESOME last year...
My ideal offseason: 1. Hire Cam Cameron (OC San Diego) or Gary Kubiak (OC Denver) 2. Trade Carr to Miami for a 2nd round pick and Ricky Williams 3. Draft Vince Young #1 4. Use our #2 on Dominique Byrd (or Mercedes Lewis) 5. Use our other #2 (Miami) and our #3 to draft an O-Line Man 6. Sign a veteran QB (Kitna would be my choice) for 1 year. If we end up drafting Vince, we got to commit the rest of the draft to fixing the holes in our offense (OL, TE, 2nd WR). We can focus on defense in next year's draft.
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/3573146.html Texas QB Vince Young to enter NFL draft By JOSEPH DUARTE Copyright 2006 Houston Chronicle Texas junior quarterback Vince Young plans to enter the NFL draft and forgo his final year of college, a close family friend said today. Young plans to make the announcement this afternoon at a press conference in Austin. "He has the blessing of God, the pastor and his family," said Yolanda Lezine, Young's godmother and the family media's spokeswoman. "It's his decision. Everybody is going to support him a 110 percent." Young capped off his career Wednesday night, rallying the Longhorns from a 12-point deficit in the fourth quarter to defeat two-time defending national champion Southern California, 41-38, in the Rose Bowl. The Madison product will hire Bus Cook as his agent. Cook is also the agent for Tennessee quarterback Steve McNair, Young's mentor, and Green Bay Packers quarterback Brett Favre. Young finished with 467 all-purpose yards – 200 rushing and 267 passing – in what some are calling one of the greatest performances in college football history. He is the first player in NCAA history to rush for 1,000 yards (1,050) and pass for 3,000 yards (3,036) in a season. In three seasons, Young is 30-2 as a starter at Texas, the best in school history. Some draft analysts project Young could be selected among the top 5 in the April draft, possibly as high as the top 3. The Texans, New Orleans Saints and Tennessee Titans own the top three picks in the draft. The chance to be selected that high was one of the deciding factors in Young's decision not to return to the Longhorns. All underclassmen must declare for the NFL draft by Jan. 15. Young will become the underclassman to leave early in coach Mack Brown's eight-year tenure at Texas.
