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Bush will cut and run.

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by insane man, Jan 2, 2006.

  1. insane man

    insane man Member

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    the fact is that the political pressure will be too strong to not start the pull out by november. the republicans will demand it themselves. and than by 08 bush will be forced to withdraw most of the troops.

    this can already be seen by this story. they're not asking for more money. they know its politically a landmine and so instead of asking for money which they should have a moral obligation to do...they'll just focus on the military aspect. even if we 'win' the war iraq will be in ruins when we leave it. and it will become another afghanistan unfortunately...

    i dont know how i feel about the immediate pull out. but once you go in and break it you have to fix it.

    however the liberal and the internal republican push both given public opinion and the complete incompetence of this administrations ability to run the war will force the administration to pull out.


    U.S. Has End in Sight on Iraq Rebuilding
    Documents Show Much of the Funding Diverted to Security, Justice System and Hussein Inquiry

    By Ellen Knickmeyer
    Washington Post Foreign Service
    Monday, January 2, 2006; A01

    BAGHDAD -- The Bush administration does not intend to seek any new funds for Iraq reconstruction in the budget request going before Congress in February, officials say. The decision signals the winding down of an $18.4 billion U.S. rebuilding effort in which roughly half of the money was eaten away by the insurgency, a buildup of Iraq's criminal justice system and the investigation and trial of Saddam Hussein.

    Just under 20 percent of the reconstruction package remains unallocated. When the last of the $18.4 billion is spent, U.S. officials in Baghdad have made clear, other foreign donors and the fledgling Iraqi government will have to take up what authorities say is tens of billions of dollars of work yet to be done merely to bring reliable electricity, water and other services to Iraq's 26 million people.

    "The U.S. never intended to completely rebuild Iraq," Brig. Gen. William McCoy, the Army Corps of Engineers commander overseeing the work, told reporters at a recent news conference. In an interview this past week, McCoy said: "This was just supposed to be a jump-start."

    Since the reconstruction effort began in 2003, midcourse changes by U.S. officials have shifted at least $2.5 billion from the rebuilding of Iraq's decrepit electrical, education, water, sewage, sanitation and oil networks to build new security forces for Iraq and to construct a nationwide system of medium- and maximum-security prisons and detention centers that meet international standards, according to reconstruction officials and documents. Many of the changes were forced by an insurgency more fierce than the United States had expected when its troops entered Iraq.

    In addition, from 14 percent to 22 percent of the cost of every nonmilitary reconstruction project goes toward security against insurgent attacks, according to reconstruction officials in Baghdad. In Washington, the office of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction puts the security costs of each project at 25 percent.

    U.S. officials more than doubled the size of the Iraqi army, which they initially planned to build to only 40,000 troops. An item-by-item inspection of reallocated funds reveals how priorities were shifted rapidly to fund initiatives addressing the needs of a new Iraq: a 300-man Iraqi hostage-rescue force that authorities say stages operations almost every night in Baghdad; more than 600 Iraqis trained to dispose of bombs and protect against suicide bombs; four battalions of Iraqi special forces to protect the oil and electric networks; safe houses and armored cars for judges; $7.8 million worth of bulletproof vests for firefighters; and a center in the city of Kirkuk for treating victims of torture.

    At the same time, the hundreds of Americans and Iraqis who have devoted themselves to the reconstruction effort point to 3,600 projects that the United States has completed or intends to finish before the $18.4 billion runs out around the end of 2006. These include work on 900 schools, construction of hospitals and nearly 160 health care centers and clinics, and repairs on or construction of nearly 800 miles of highways, city streets and village roads.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/02/AR2006010200370.html
     
  2. jo mama

    jo mama Member

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    this man does not cut and run. i mean, check out his package. :eek:

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  3. mc mark

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    Careful insane man! Someone might call you a Murthaist.
     
  4. Mulder

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    He will follow a model we have seen in this forum a thousand times.

    1. Foolishly and brashly enter into a conflict you cannot possibly win.
    2. Upon realization that you are in a no win situation, drastically redefine the criteria for success.
    3. Declare victory in all caps and run away.
     
  5. Rockets34Legend

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    But this Bush will cut and run!

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  6. insane man

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    is that the second biggest insult from the chicken hawks after bin ladenists?
     
  7. ROXRAN

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    We have all but won!
    The Iraqi military is only getting stronger and larger, and more experienced. The democratic process, though early has indications of strong success. The transition should go smooth. Besides a few explosions by insurgents, there is nothing I can see on T.V. or other media that tells me anything, but good news. I am proud of my cousin, and the fellow warriors out there.

    GOD bless America.

    :D
     
  8. deepblue

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    I don't get it, before it was "We are stuck in a quagmire, no exit strategy, we need to get our soldiers home"

    Now its "Bush will cut and run"?

    WHAT?
     
  9. Pole

    Pole Houston Rockets--Tilman Fertitta's latest mess.

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    Didn't you read Mulder's post?
     
  10. insane man

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    exit strategy doesn't mean pull out and dont worry about rebuilding.

    and these were my thoughts. they weren't the definitive liberal voice. i can have my personal opinion while still being liberal and perhaps differing with the dominant liberal opinion.
     

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