Fine, but in terms of newer music, you did cover most of itop, Rap, Country. ------------------ The title will come to ClutchCity once again.
Nirvana - Never liked them and never understood why anybody did. I also never understood why some people hailed Cobain as a guitar god. Limp Bizkit - Fred Durst sounds like a whiny little b**** when he actually tries to sing. Alanis Morrisette - Ahhh, that voice is so annoying. Macy Gray - Doesn't even have a voice. And Since somebody mentioned Soulcracker I have to say Harlow. Damn they suck, how in the hell did they ever get on that show.
I agree whole-heartedly except for Macy Gray. I like her song "I try". Other annoying ones: The Cranberries, most heavy metal stuff, most rap stuff, most country stuff.
I don't have a problem with her songs, it's just that she has no voice. It's really raspy and I just can't listen to it. Maybe for one song when it comes on the radio but I can't imagine listening to an entire CD or sitting through one of her concerts.
vj, it's kinda scary you consider that list to be "pretty much everything" in music. I'm worried for you. Anyways, since you asked, here's some of the music I like: Jazz, especially bebop (but definitely not "smooth" jazz - should have put that on the first list!!) Fusion Alternative rock Folk (Irish, Cajun, bluegrass, whatever) Classical Gypsy songs (if you haven't heard any Gypsy Kings, by all means run to Barnes & Noble and pick up their Greatest Hits CD!) New age Classic rock (especially Beatles, Steely Dan, Boston, Journey, and many, many others). ------------------
The only Alanis Morrisette song I like is the one that comes on during the ending credits of Dogma, anyone know the song? ------------------ President of the CC.net Realist Club, everyone needs a dose of reality once in a while...
Oh yeah I like The Pixies. I like that song at the end of Fight Club especially ------------------ Now that I have hit a 200 post count I fill my life has to come to a plateau. Oh well.
Violent Femmes Stevie Ray Vaughn (because I get SICK of hearing how great he is) NashVegas Country, Travis Tritt to John Michael Montgomery Metallica Any music where the lyrics and beat are so violent it makes you want to hit someone. Why would I want to listen to something that angers me? Def Lepard Melissa Etheridge Enya Stone Temple Pilots Pet Shop Boys Depeche Mode Stevie Nicks Red Hot Chilli Turds ------------------ Now this shirt is chafing me
Ugh, Tex, we were doing so much better, and now I have to b**** slap you! I have never seen any massive hype behind his music! Agreed, critics like him, but aside from that, where's they hype? I don't think anyone does know him outside of Austin. I mean, I know he gigs in Houston, but really, I don't think of him as nationally known. I hate the Scabs. Soul-less!?!?!? Augh!!! Opening for Nicks indicates that his management obviously has a market niche targeted-- one that I personally don't care for-- but damn, how can you call "Bullets", "Big Blue Sea", "World Exploded Into Love", or "Madeleine" soulless? *******, what about "Tokyo"...? Stevie died in 1990. Antone was sent up what, two years ago? That was a loooooooooooong day.
Here at BC, exactly one band has been sold out in the past 3 years... GUSTER. During this period, we've had visits by: Wyclef, Vertical Horizon, Outkast, Eminem, Rusted Root, Run DMC, and a couple other well-known bands that I've forgotten. None of these came even close to selling out... yet Guster did TWICE (98 and 2000). I hate guster. They're this really wretched cross between Dave Mathews and filter, and sound absolutely horrible. Weak lyrics, weak music, monotonous, redundant. But everyone around here reveres them as these Underground Gods that just aren't appreciated by the public at large. Grrr... ------------------ Clutchcity.net... source for all your Rockets, Astros, political, music, humor, and Gordita news.
Brian, I knew my post would spark a response from someone, but I had no idea it would be you! I know lots of people (the group now includes you) who like Bob Schneider's music. I'm just not one of them. He has gotten alot of pretty massive hype, with the Austin Music Awards and articles (here) in the Chronicle and Houston Press, and nationally in Rolling Stone and TV on CNN. He is starting to become nationally known also through constant nationwide touring, and now even more so opening for the Sheepwoman. I just happen to think his music is lame and semi-contrived. I don't find the man's rock star pose believable in the least. I find it laughable, and it makes me question the sincereity of his music. Maybe "soulless" was the wrong word to use, and I apologize for it. I do find it interesting that you hate the Scabs yet enjoy his solo stuff. I think you're the first person I've run across who feels that way. Many, if not most, Bob Schneider fans are Scabs/Ugly Americans fans from way back when. Hey look on the bright side...I've probably got some old time gutbucket cotton field blues hollers in my vinyl collection that you might think sound like fingernails scraping against the chalkboard. My deal is that I like music that's real. If we all looked the same, acted the same, and liked the same things, the world would be a very boring place indeed! PS: I used the word "day" twice...re-read the last part of my post. Yes, the two incidents happened on two seperate days. You've tried "b****splapping" me much harder in the past. Is that girlfriend of yours mellowing you out??? ------------------ "Blues is a Healer" --John Lee Hooker [This message has been edited by RocketMan Tex (edited July 18, 2001).]
Girls like the Scabs/Schneider because they think Bob is hot. Guys like going to Scabs concerts because of the chicks and the fact that the girls go crazy. If Bob Schneider looked like an average Joe, nobody would have ever hyped him or the Scabs up. The scabs are downright terrible, imo, unless you just enjoy hearing cuss words and sexual references...."I wanna F#ck your babay in the @ss" etc.... I have heard Bob's solo CD and it is OK though. ------------------ Now this shirt is chafing me
My musical pet peeve is not insincerity, but false sincerety. I hate bands that are earnest and make a big deal of how "real" they are. That is why, for the most part, I hate white guys playing the blues. Of course there are exceptions (Stevie Ray Vaughn, the Rolling Stones in the '60's), but modern blues has turned into a haven for white yuppies who have adopted the music as they would a BMW, or a chardonnay. Forget any real connection to human suffering or ecstacy (the essence of the blues, in my opinion), in the hands of Kenny Wayne Shepard, or Ian Moore, or Deep Purple, for that matter, the blues has no real meaning. The king of the recent gentrification of the blues (this should be an album title!) was Lee Atwatter...a flippin' Republican blues acolyte! (And a particularly nasty SOB Republican, at that...that he got a brain tumor and died young is some evidence of a higher power). I guess you only get the blues when your capital tax rate goes up, eh? It's kind of like admiring Martin Luther's King's oratorical style while ignoring, or subverting the content of what he was saying. I will close this rant by saying that pretension in music is often a good thing. To a certain extent, this is also called being imaginitive. If the Beatles, for example, limited themselves to producing music as befitted their social background, our record collections would be a lot smaller, wouldn't they? By the same token, the pose of earthy reality can often be just that, a pose. Creedence Clearwater Revival were from the San Francisco bay area. They had no more connection to the bayou, or the Mississippi delta, or the blues mythology, in general, than Wayne Newton. yet, because of the style of music, they have always been considered some kind of paragon of sincerity, or "realness." They were just as much a bunch of poseurs as anybody. the key is that the songs are good and that is all that matters. The question of their origin, or intent is meaningless. -Elvis, who really hates Creed, Limp Bizket and Lee Greenwood ------------------
Well, like I said, if they've got him opening for Stevie Nicks, then it's obvious they're targeting a niche that I detest. It will be interesting to hear the next Lonelyland record, given this targeting-- I imagine it will be oriented towards a much less soulful sound. Well, that's all legitimate. It's hard to take any rock star poses as legitimate nowadays-- Cadillac Voodoo Choir, for example. Talk about a pose. I hope I didn't come off as pissed off in that reply, Tex-- I'm just being playful. I don't think that's the right word but I'm not actually offended by it. Ugh. Scabs. Suck. Ugly Americans? Their radio-friendly stuff wasn't too bad, but I didn't really connect with most of their music. Loneyland's just different. Some of the lyrics are grating, but for the most part, I found the album to be honest. I thought it really had integrity. I don't know about that. I love the blues. For the first two or three years I played guitar, that was about all I wanted to play. Well, amen to that. I think we probably share a mutual dislike for a lot more stuff than we like. It's either that or the Quaaludes, man. Oh, so you think material possessions preclude suffering? You ought to try spending a night in my skin. This is going to be a long list. 1) How nice that you think Lee Atwater was killed by an apparently vengeful higher power. 2) How convenient that you're able to pin a trend you hold in disdain (middle-class whites listening to the blues) on someone with whom you disagree politically. 3) I suppose that Democrats, who are apparently never middle-class or white or subject to capital-gains taxes, understand the blues? 4) If the blues didn't resonate at a deep level with all of the people you attack in your post-- a lot of whom I do not personally care for, ahem, I'm coughing in your direction Mr. Shepherd-- why do you think they would embrace them? You think Ian Moore first picked up a guitar or wrote a blues-based number because he thought that would tear up the charts? Do you think that in the current era of toxic cynicism, anyone thinks they can contrive authenticity by embracing what is now regarded as a musical cliche (namely, the blues)? I mean, obviously, the opposite effect is achieved-- a middle-class white who enjoys the blues doesn't just fail to achieve credibility but instead forfeits all right to credibility based on his/her obvious transparent motives. Last question: where do I sign up for lessons in determining authenticity? I would love to feel that I had the right to dismiss fans of a musical genre as "pretenders" based on surface characteristics, as you've done. I just don't know where I get the qualifications. ------------------ "It's a funny thing, 'friends' You got beginnings and you got ends I guess I'll see you when we're ashes again-- Chris Robinson [This message has been edited by BrianKagy (edited July 19, 2001).]
Watchout, you guys might get rockHEAD after you Though I haven't followed his bands since the Ugly Americans days, Bob Scheider is a very good of a lead signer and a heck of a stage performer. He also is a heck of nicer guy than say the Faith No More lead guy I met at Emos. And its not Bob's popularity is like Brittney, InSuck or the Backdoor Boys. I don't see the point in mentioning him on an overhyped list simply because a TON less talented people have platinum records. Also, no way Pink Floyd is overrated. Their work is genious and many of their products are true art masterpieces even if their musical playing talent wasn't the most important piece to it. Same goes for the Beattles and Rollingstones, it was the former two bands song writing that set them apart. No way Led Zepplan makes the list either. Those guys were among the best group of musicans to ever play together in a rock band and far the best band of the 70s. Dave Mathews Band, Phish and the Greatfull dead are not overrated either, there is something to be said for having something to say and being creative night in and night out. Though not a band, Prince is NOT overated either, extrodinarily creative dude. OVERRATED bands include Def Leppard (totally overrated), Aerosmith (should have quite about 30 years ago), and the Scorpians. The most overated (rock) band of all time?? BON JOVI!! Newer overrated bands include Geezzer, Green Day, and Creed. Creed sucks so bad they don't play live (e.g., lip synching at award shows), every "real" rock band plays live when they can. Finally, not all punk-funk-metal bands suck. The Chili Peppers had some terrific stuff.
I cannot stand Lil Bow Wow. I cannot stand Dream. But... some of you guys have really wierd dislikes. Weezer, Creed, Linkin Park... all great bands. Go listen to the CDs at Blockbuster. Also, Nashville country sucks. But please, please, please dont diss Texas country. If you live in Texas, you have to love Pat Green, Corey Morrow, Robert Earl Keen, Roger Krieger... ------------------ The next time I have meat and mashed potatoes, I think I'll put a very large blob of potatoes on my plate with just a little piece of meat. And if someone asks me why i didn't get more meat, ill just say, "Oh, you mean this?" and pull out a big piece of meat from inside the blob of potatoes, where ive hidden it. Good magic trick, huh?
Yeah, BK, I think we probably share a big mutual dislike in music regarding a number of acts. Your assessment of Cadillac Voodoo Choir is right on the money! And you're correct about the next Lonelyland album. I'm interested in how all this may or may not change his sound. By the way...I recently heard that Bob Schneider's new manager is Doc McGhee (of Motley Crue fame)...that very well could be how Bob got hooked into the Stevie Nicks tour. While we're on the subject of Austin music, have you heard Jimmy LaFave's new CD? What about Alejandro Escovedo's new one? Those are two Austin-based artists' CDs that I really enjoy. If you haven't heard them, you should give 'em a listen. I saw Jimmy a few weeks ago at the Mucky Duck here in H-town and he put on a helluva show. ------------------ "Blues is a Healer" --John Lee Hooker
Thank you for that, but there still are a lot of new ones that suck. creed (with exception with one song) pearl jam doesn't suck, but I don't think they're as great as they're made out to be. There aren't too many that make me change the station no matter what I'm doing, but I'll do it when creed comes on. ------------------ I have seen much of the rest of the web. It is brutal and cruel and dark. CC.net is the light.
<<Oh, so you think material possessions preclude suffering? You ought to try spending a night in my skin.>> Of course rich and middle class people suffer. I am sure you have dark nights of the soul all of the time. But, poor people probably have it a little worse, don't you think? At some point you can't get around basic living conditions. <<1) How nice that you think Lee Atwater was killed by an apparently vengeful higher power.>> That is applying the *same* standards of empathy of Lee Attwater. For most of his life he advocated "the concept of a vengeful higher power." Did you ever read his comments about AIDS? All of this is besides the point, though. A blues loving race-baiter (he was responsible for the Willie horton ad, among other abominations) is more than a little ironic, no? That he became a good Christian on his deathbed is nice, but only a tumor changed his mind about the value of compassion in the actual world. <<2) How convenient that you're able to pin a trend you hold in disdain (middle-class whites listening to the blues) on someone with whom you disagree politically. 3) I suppose that Democrats, who are apparently never middle-class or white or subject to capital-gains taxes, understand the blues?>> The whole point is that the music, as performed by most modern blues performers and as listened to by most listeners is devoid of meaning. This has nothing to do with political affiliation, Mr. Sensitive. I think most people realise that there as many soul-less corporate drone liberals as there are of the conservative persuasion ; ). <<4) If the blues didn't resonate at a deep level with all of the people you attack in your post-- a lot of whom I do not personally care for, ahem, I'm coughing in your direction Mr. Shepherd-- why do you think they would embrace them?>> Why does the lame yuppie class embrace anything? Of course they embrace the blues...they embrace it for a little while and then move on to something else. (Have you ever been to the Billy Blues club on Richmond...this is the 9th circle of Yuppie blues hell). The Baby boom generations is, for the most part,a great class of dablling, wishy-washy dilletantes who talk about authenticity and integrity but act all too different. This goes for Bill Clinton boomers as well as the George Bush junior kind, too. <<You think Ian Moore first picked up a guitar or wrote a blues-based number because he thought that would tear up the charts? Of course not. I am sure he loves the blues and "feels it" in all the right spots. However, I think his music is as irrelevant and meaningless as a Civil War re-enactor. His "authenticity" is as fake to me as parts of Brittney Spears' anatomy. You realise that this is just my opinion, don't you? Build a statue for your Lee Attwater, Ian Moore, or Wayman Tisdale's band, if you wish. To quote Mr. Wittney Houston, it is your perrogative. The thread was about bands that I think suck, afterall. <<Last question: where do I sign up for lessons in determining authenticity? I would love to feel that I had the right to dismiss fans of a musical genre as "pretenders" based on surface characteristics, as you've done.>> Surface characterisitcs like wealth and race are only "surface characteristics" if you are not poor, or the "wrong" color. There are such things as a music that is specific to one class more than others, no? I mean, do you find that there are many Bob Roberts style folk protest music being played at debutant balls in Palm Beach? Most modern blues is still performed in a framework and idiom that has no real connection to the lives of the performers, or the audience, in my opinion. And the audience and the performers love to go on and on about how superior the blues is because it is so authentic! I say, Howling Wolf as performed by Kenny Wayne Sheppard and as listened to by an urban middle class guy is no more authentic than anything else. In other words, Brian, I can wear Leiderhosen and yodel all I like, but I ain't turning to Heidi, no matter how hard I try (and I do! ; ). -Elvis, who realizes his generation is just as lame as the next one, so put your typing fingers away ------------------
Elvis, just because I think I came across like a complete ******* in my post, and because I think we're both just expressing opinions here, I won't go point by point through your response. I think you make a good case for how you feel; I just personally do not think that the blues excludes people based on some of the characteristics you list. Hell, I have a sense of humor about it: One thing, though, that I have to take exception with: That seems like a preoccupation with materialism, to me... As though a poor person's suffering would be eased if they just had a big old color TV. That's not the kind of suffering I'm talking about. BK
