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Would you turn in your father?

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  1. pirc1

    pirc1 Member

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    I doubt I would be able to do what these sons did.

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    Bank Robber Turned in by Sons Gets 40 Years By JOHN O'CONNOR, Associated Press Writer
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    SPRINGFIELD, Ill. - A family man once regarded as a pillar of his community was sentenced to 40 years in prison Thursday for a string of bank robberies after being turned in by his own sons, who had recognized him from a surveillance photo.

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    The judge issued the minimum sentence for William Alfred "Al" Ginglen, who at 64 likely will serve the rest of his life behind bars.

    Ginglen, who was convicted on seven counts of armed bank robbery and two counts of using a firearm during a crime of violence, also was ordered to pay $56,382 in restitution. The money he stole, authorities said, went to support a girlfriend, a crack cocaine habit and visits to prostitutes.

    But before he lost two jobs in 2001 and the bank robberies began in 2003, Scott noted that Ginglen had spent the bulk of his life as a civic leader and married father of four.

    "You pose a dilemma in trying to figure out what in the world happened to you," Scott said. "I, too, have struggled with that. For over 60 years of your life, you lived an exemplary life."

    Given the chance to speak before receiving the sentence, Ginglen started to address the court, stopped for 90 seconds to compose himself, and then said, "I'd like to apologize to everyone."

    Ginglen's double life began to unravel in August 2004, when one of his sons, Peoria police officer Jared Ginglen, recognized his father on surveillance videos posted on a law enforcement Web site.

    "There are no winners here today. The whole thing has been a tragedy for my family," Jared Ginglen told The Associated Press after his father's sentencing.

    But Jared Ginglen said he had no regrets about turning in his father.

    "It had to be done," he said.

    Ginglen's attorney, Ron Hamm, said he plans an appeal.

    He said he believes evidence Jared Ginglen took from his father's house, including clothing and a diary of his father's activities, were illegally seized because the son is a police officer.

    Jared Ginglen said he was off duty, out of his jurisdiction, and he went to the house to find his father and confront him, not seize evidence.
     
  2. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    Murder and beating any relatives of mine would be the only two things that would prompt me into turning in my father.
     
  3. hotballa

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    no, I would never turn in my father. I would pressure him like hell to turn himself in. But that is the man who raised me and gave me food. I would never turn him in for anything. Of course if he was a bad father, as this guys seems to be with the crack habit and whatnot, I would probably have less conviction in my answer
     
  4. Chance

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    I would. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Plus my father is a douche bag.
     
  5. subtomic

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    It's a terrible dilemma I don't plan on facing anytime soon (at least I hope). But it sounds like the Dad lost control of himself (how that happened is a story I'd like to hear) and was on a path (armed robbery, use of a firearm) that could lead to death - his own or someone else's. It may seem like a betrayal, but they've probably saved his life by turning him in. I agree with their decision, and hope their relationship with their father can survive this.
     
  6. Rocketman95

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    If I was 64, I'd rather be dead than serving a 40-year sentence.
     
  7. Surfguy

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    If my Dad was on crack and robbing banks, then I would turn him in. Otherwise, if I knew and didn't say anything...then that makes me guilty and I'm potentially going to jail as well. Either that...or I'm a liar. My Dad shouldn't put me in that position. So, screw him.
     
  8. JuanValdez

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    Don't think I'd have turned him in. From what they tell us in the article, I can't blame his son for doing so, however. He's a cop for one, plus his father seems to have been engaging in some very self-destructive behavior.
     
  9. subtomic

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    Me too, but that doesn't give either of us the right to place other lives at risk with our potentially suicidal actions.
     
  10. Rocketman95

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    Never said it did. I just couldn't turn in my own father. I would do everything in my power to persuade him to turn himself in.
     
  11. mc mark

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    ditto

    And he BETTER slide me a grand or two if he knows what's good for em'.
     
  12. vwiggin

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    I would tell my father that if he doesn't turn himself in, I would turn myself in and take his place in jail.

    If that doesn't trick him into surrendering, then yeah, I'll turn his ass in.
     
  13. Invisible Fan

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    If my father was the Unabomber, I'd hire a lawyer and get the best plea possible for an "anonymous tip".

    Should things fall apart, I'd probably goto jail for aiding and abetting, but it's lose-lose for me anyways.
     
  14. RunninRaven

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    But not any sex crimes?

    I'm the same way, but I think I would throw rape in there, especially if it were minors.
     
  15. Falcons Talon

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    I don't think I could.
     
  16. bnb

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    For robbing a bank???

    I might help him with his screen play....

    :p
     
  17. B-ball freak

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    Ditto that - plus mine is dead
     
  18. moestavern19

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    My father is also a douchebag and a deadbeat who abandoned me when I was 4 so I'd pretty much turn him in for jaywalking.

    That is if I cared enough to give a ****.
     
  19. Rocketman95

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    Definitely throw rape in there. Kidnapping too.
     
  20. Mr. Brightside

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    How about spitting gum in the street or crossing four lanes on the highway without using a turn signal?
     

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