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In Defense of Stromile Swift

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by ymc, Dec 6, 2005.

  1. ymc

    ymc Member

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    Many people are dismissing Swift now. While I am also annoyed by his low bball IQ, if we look at his stat, he is actually pretty good for the money we paid him.

    If we translate his 20.8min stat to 30min, we have

    12.4 PPG @48.2% shooting
    6.5 RPG
    0.4 APG
    2.6 TO
    0.9 STL
    1.2 BLK
    5.5 PF

    This will make him a better player than DA and Head statwise and put him as our solid 3rd option. The only downside is that he might get fouled out frequently if he plays 30min and also the extra FTs for the opponent. However, we don't need Swift to close out the game, so it is fine for him to foul out. Also, his shooting percentage is 10% higher than DA or Head that this offsets the extra FTs giving out.

    So the conclusion is let Swift play 30min. He might turn out better than this if he feels that he is now an important piece of team (a feeling he never had before). What do you think? Stats don't lie. Or am I deluding myself? :confused:
     
  2. RocketsFanSam

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    Delusion ? Nah not at all. I'm not going to write someone off this early. He needs some time to get used to a complicated system, he is used to running the open floor for alley -oops and put backs. He needs time to get used to traditional post play. Everyone seems to think that he is dumber than dog doo c'mon cut him some more credit than that.

    Swift will be alright.. and anderson just dunked it ( haha watching the game)
     
  3. Beenz

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    There's no such thing as 5.5 fouls in the NBA. It means he fouled out of the game. That's the exact reason he can't play, because he doesnt realize how to play defense without fouling, getting a rebound without going over the back, or even just trying to guard a player.
     
  4. Pizza_Da_Hut

    Pizza_Da_Hut I put on pants for this?

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    You know, the Nazis had pieces of flair that they made the Jews wear.
     
  5. vlaurelio

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    duh.. thats average and he upped his minutes from 20 to 30..
     
  6. tigermission1

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    Swift is still somewhat of an enigma, and I can't really figure him out.

    The one thing you cannot blame him for is effort, because every minute he's out there I see him hustling and playing hard, so that's at least a positive.

    The other thing I have noticed is that Swift seems to always start games slow to get into a rhythem, then he gets progressively better the more minutes he plays/stays in the game, but he's effective in stretches, especially with Yao.

    I have said a few weeks back that despite the slow start, I am not disappointed in Stro because I still think he's worth the gamble and his value is still damn good. He's still not that bad, despite his struggles, which I attribute to the system and lack of touches/involving him in the game as much as I attribute it to his inability to grasp his role and play it a bit better than he is right now.

    The ones I was disappointed with was RAfer mostly, because of his contract length/value. Thankfully, DA seems to have turned things around a bit, and his effort tonight on defense more so than offense was very pleasing. This guy is getting around a mil +, which is dirt cheap any way you look at it.

    Honestly, I think this team doesn't need any major shuffling until the off season (inevitably, since DW/JB/Moochie/Baker/Spoon will only be coming off the payroll and we will have to reload the back court). IMO, this team is one player (a starting SG) away from being where we all thought they would: competing for a championship. IMO, the perfect player would be a Jalen Rose type to start alongside Head in the backcourt, and then you have Rafer and DA coming off the bench with more freedom to play the way they like to play.

    Oh, and staying healthy for a change won't hurt...
     
  7. Rockets111

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    He played very well tonight- 11 points, 6 boards, and 2 blocks off the bench...I think we should atleast entertain the idea of starting him considering that Howard has not been contributing at the moment, but it looks like JVG wants to play Deke very minimal minutes and have Swift as Yao's backup for when he gets in foul trouble/tired...
     
  8. jopatmc

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    Yeah, still Howard is giving us nuthing. Swift should start and bring in Deke to back up Yao. Howard should be on the trading block.
     
  9. ymc

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    Why didn't JVG play Swift 30min tonight? He was great and only one foul for christ's sake! :mad:
     
  10. liu1107

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    maybe because he missed a lot "right-under-the-basket" bank shots?
     
  11. wolfsheep

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    Sorry. I don't think he is making progress. His dunk is not working well. When he has time and space for a mid-range jump, he usually doesn't dare to shoot(Juwan is much better in this). He can't pass a right ball. And the worst thing is he can't defend. You can always see he is easily cheated by a fake jump.
    In short, his basketball ID is terribly low. I am giving him up! If someday he get injured, he will totally suck!
     
  12. tigermission1

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    An ironic statement indeed... :p
     
  13. Stephen1616

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    I agree what do you think we could get with Howard and Wesley or Moochie?
     
  14. ymc

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    Well, he still shot 44.4%. This is better than Howard's 40%, DA's 22.2% and Wesley's 12.5%. Swift has the athleticism to get under basket for easy shots, this is one of his big asset. I would rather have him shooting under the basket erratically than seeing others brick from mid-range... :rolleyes:
     
  15. Parlett316

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    If you translated my salary from 40 hours a week to 70 hours a week, I would make more money. Unfortunately i'm not at work those extra 30 hours so I don't get paid. :p
     
  16. BiGGieStuFF

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    I like swift but he's definitely cutting into deke's minutes. I miss deke out there. No matter if you're quicker than him, you're always weary about going to the middle.

    You don't just worry about the block but you worry about them elbows. Now that's intimidation. With swift although a great defender, more times than not, I'm sure the offensive player feels they can draw the foul more times than getting blocked.
     
  17. ctseng0

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    Some of us dismissed him before he arrived. All of this was quite predictable, and predicted. Given his history, it isn't clear how anyone could have expected anything else. Throughout his career he has been described as dumb, even for a basketball player. And a player like this is going to fit into JVG's schemes?

    No, the only surprising thing this year is how bad the team as a whole has been. How a good team from last year can have gone backwards so far boggles the mind. Neither Sura nor James are that good, and rafer isn't that bad.
     
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    During the Celtic's possessions, I kept my eyes on Swift and he was there for help defense and most impressively, looked to box his man out when a shot was attempted. Swift also pressured the ball several times. There were a few rebounds I think he should have snagged, but overall, he's doing much better and he is certainly putting forth the effort. Swift can't perform in our offense because he isn't getting good position AND our guards just stand there waiting for a pass. He can't make a good pass when our guards are just standing there. Last night, Swift looked like he's got a good future with the club.
     
  19. roxgirl

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    I, apparently, am one of the few that thinks Swift is starting to come around. He doesn't look as lost anymore. His post game needs some work, b/c he seems to be forcing shots a lot (probably feeling the pressure to produce). I, for one, think he should start and get more minutes. I won't dog Howard though, he does things for this team. He stretches the D with his perimeter shooting, which is decent. He grabs rebounds. I said this since the preseason, I'm still reserving judgement on this team until mid-december/january. The team that played against the Celtics Tuesday night was a lot closer to what I thought this team should be.
     
  20. BiGGieStuFF

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    Well if swift can stay out of foul trouble then he'll be okay. It's too tough for him to get acclimated and get a rhythm going if he's gonna be in risk of foul trouble all the time. One positive so far with swift is he's taking some of those fouls that Yao usually gets. :p
     

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