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MoveOn.Org Doesn't Know What A US Soldier Looks Like?

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  1. Svpernaut

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    I find this very humorous... needed a chuckle on this hellacious work day.
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    MoveOn.org Pulls Anti-War Ad Following Criticism
    By Randy Hall
    CNSNews.com Staff Writer/Editor
    November 30, 2005

    (CNSNews.com) - The liberal political group MoveOn.org has yanked a video ad from its website after being criticized for using images of British soldiers to represent Americans in Iraq.

    MoveOn.org displayed this storyboard of its anti-war advertisement before the video was removed from the website.The 30-second ad, which also began running on CNN and cable stations during the Thanksgiving weekend, stated that "150,000 American men and women are stuck in Iraq" this holiday season.

    But the ad showed soldiers who were "not wearing U.S. uniforms," according to a Pentagon spokesman who was interviewed by Cybercast News Service Wednesday, approximately two hours before the Internet version of the ad was pulled from the MoveOn.org website.

    "Some folks won't be home this holiday season," the 30-second spot declared before showing a video pan of a group of soldiers getting military rations. The narrator then stated that "150,000 American men and women are stuck in Iraq."

    Todd Vician, a spokesman with the U.S. Defense Department, told Cybercast News Service after viewing the ad that none of the men featured in the photograph was wearing U.S. uniforms. "We don't have that style of desert camouflage," he said.

    Vician noted that combat fatigues worn by the Marines and the Army have "a pixilated design," and Air Force BDUs (Battle Dress Uniforms) have a different pattern than the uniforms shown in the spot.

    In addition to the men wearing foreign uniforms, Vician stated that he had never seen U.S. soldiers using meal containers like those shown in the ad.

    A Nov. 21 press release from MoveOn.org Political Action indicated that the advertisement "echoes Democrats' calls for an exit plan from Iraq" and attacks Republicans for "failing to offer a plan to end the U.S. occupation" of that country.

    The video ad itself concluded with the following: "Tell your representative. Support our troops. Bring them home."

    Along with running nationwide on CNN, the spot was being aired on cable stations in the districts of GOP members of the House of Representatives who, according to the MoveOn.org press release, "launched personal attacks on Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.), a decorated Vietnam veteran who last week called for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq."

    MoveOn.org did not return repeated telephone calls from Cybercast News Service seeking comment for this article. It was unclear Wednesday afternoon whether the ad had also been pulled from television.

    But the television ad has already reportedly drawn a sharp reaction from an Army captain who just completed his third deployment in Iraq, according to OpinionJournal.com.

    James Taranto, the author of the OpinionJournal.com column, wrote that the Army captain was "an old friend" of his who emailed with his criticism. The captain was quoted as calling the MoveOn.org TV ad "completely offensive" and "a Bush-bashing ad" that "shows turkey and crying wives and blames Bush for it all."

    As "the idiots from MoveOn.org ... pretend to argue on my behalf, they show a group of soldiers standing around a table in the Middle East," the captain reportedly wrote and added that the individuals in the photo were "actually British soldiers.

    "One is in shorts (we don't have shorts as a normal combat uniform), and the others are all clearly wearing British pattern fatigues," the Army captain wrote, noting that people at MoveOn.org "don't even know what an American soldier looks like!"

    http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewPolitics.asp?Page=\Politics\archive\200511\POL20051130c.html
    http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110007612
     
    #1 Svpernaut, Nov 30, 2005
  2. Bullard4Life

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    Yes, the tide is certainly turning in the debate over the war...
     
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  3. vlaurelio

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    a lot of US soldiers have died from friendly fire..
     
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  4. bnb

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    NO matter which side you're on....this is pretty funny.

    Ooops!
     
    #4 bnb, Nov 30, 2005
  5. basso

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    even funnier:

    MoveOn has altered the scene in a still shot it shows on its Web site. Here's the scene from the ad:

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    Here's a copy of the still:

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    The man in the foreground, who has shorts in the video, appears to have donned cammies. In fact, he appears to be wearing the same pants--that is, the exact same pair--as the man behind him to the viewer's right. photoshop the pain, indeed!
     
    #5 basso, Nov 30, 2005
  6. nyquil82

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    Seems Americans have a chronic problem distinguishing nationalities. Even our own.
     
    #6 nyquil82, Nov 30, 2005
  7. vwiggin

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    Well, at least they didn't go with this picture.

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    #7 vwiggin, Nov 30, 2005
  8. KingCheetah

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    Typical MoveOn nonsense.
     
    #8 KingCheetah, Nov 30, 2005
  9. Dreamshake

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    Moveon is about as much nonsense as is Shawn Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, the Blond Stupid Beyootch, and Bill O Suckly.
     
    #9 Dreamshake, Nov 30, 2005
  10. KingCheetah

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    I agree ~ MoveOn is definitely in the same category as Rush, O' Reilly, etc...
     
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  11. serious black

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    Typical.

    They use a picture of English troops and it becomes a mini scandal. The topic becomes how stupid those liberal wackos at MoveOn.Org are. It's just like the Dan Rather typeface scandal. The Rather story could have survived just fine without that memo and this Ad could have been run just fine without any picture of troops at all.

    There are 150,000 US troops that were not home for Thanksgiving. That is the point of the Ad. Regardless of what they are wearing, 150,000 American troops will not be home for the holidays.

    Don't fall for the spin. Is it really that easy to distract you people?

    That MoveOn.Org used the wrong picture does not make them akin to Rush and O'Reilly, by the way. Were it that there really were 150,000 English troops rather than American troops there, that would be akin to Rush. This is not.
     
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  12. vwiggin

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    I don't think of it as falling for the spin.

    As a liberal I feel it is my obligation to hold my own proponents to a high standard of truth and excellence. I believe our ideas are the right ones and if our marketplace of ideas is free and unbiased, people will choose liberal policies because they are better for our country.

    I don't want anyone spreading half-truths or even white lies about my ideas. The other side may do as they wish, but I will call out any BS coming from any side, especially my own.
     
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  13. KingCheetah

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    Well said.
     
    #13 KingCheetah, Nov 30, 2005
  14. serious black

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    Sure. I agree. Averyone should be held to high standards.

    That said, it's the tone of the article that I am responding to and calling Rovian spin.
    The article closes with "people at MoveOn.org 'don't even know what an American soldier looks like!'"

    That is spin.

    That is changing the subject from there being 150,000 American men and women that will not be coming home for the holidays to 'aww those stupid liberals don't even know that American uniforms don't include shorts.'

    It is looking for petty ways to change the subject. It is dangerous and it should be called out.

    The problem with liberals is that they are a self depricating bunch. If the other side finds something like this, or the Rather/typeface but, we allow that to become the story. But that is not the story.
    The story is not that MoveOn used the wrong footage. The story is that there are 150,000 American men and women that will not be home for the holidays.

    Say I killed your dog and you confronted me about it in an email. Say you typed, "Hey you jerk! You killled my dog!" Now say I responded by ignoring that I did in fact kill your dog and instead harped on the fact that you had an extra "l" in killed, that would not be cool. That is what is going on here.
     
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  15. Kam

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    boots and shorts.



    that's cool.
     
    #15 Kam, Nov 30, 2005
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    And all 150,000 deserve our thanks for volunteering to join a 100% volunteer military so we could sit here and second guess their personal choice to serve. :(


    Regardless of who they are in the picture and video used, those troops are not part of the 150,000 American troops deployed.


    If the folks at MoveOn respect the troops so much, why not correctly identify them?
     
    #16 IROC it, Dec 1, 2005
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    Not enough is said about the British forces in Iraq. They are doing alot. But maybe Moveon.org should save the ad for um...Boxing Day?
     
    #18 Deji McGever, Dec 1, 2005
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  20. Mulder

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    Uh, Sgt. York I think you are taking this "don't ask, don't tell" thing a bit too far.
     
    #20 Mulder, Dec 1, 2005
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