Thanks rhadamanthus. I knew visiting the Clutch bbs will save my life one day. Today might be that day.
Rumsfeld's net worth is estimated at around 60-180 million dollars. His stock worth in Gilead has increased about 1 million this year. I would not classify 1 million dollars as a "financial orgasm" to someone worth around 120 million.
its difficult to make an argument against your belief that bush just chose GILD because of his relationship with rummy because it seems you continue to cite it as a main reason in his choosing GILD....meaning....it's like i can't get you to see that GILD and roche held the immediate and best answer to the problem at hand. furthermore this answer to the problem has already been used by japan without major resistance developing. this strain of the flu may prove to be different but it doesn't mean you don't attempt to access the best and fastest possible defense. if you want to continue to infer that bush just did it because of rummy then think about this.... there are 2 choices...GSK or GILD/roche. one is easier to distribute and has wider uses (gileads drug) and the other is harder to distribute and has limitations (GSKs drug). which do you choose?
A million dollars is a lot of money, but, the point is, what's a million dollars to someone who has a net worth of 120 million? Do you really think Bush is throwing a bone to Rumsfeld with respect to this issue?
so lets see rummy has around 60,000 shares of GILD? and he was up about 10 points or so in it before all the bird flu stuff. so he has probably made around like 400,000 from this so far.
Negative ghostrider. I think the strongest statement I said was "suspicious". Frankly, you lower your credibility when you make such a silly claim. As it is - I stated that I agreed with some of your points, and you refused to respond to any of my counterarguments. All you did was claim I had a "belief" negative to the Bush adminstration. Don't waste my time with such texxx/jorge tactics - I'm quite seasoned in ignoring such useless banter.
sorry man...calm down...i was just inferring too much because you seemed like you were inferring too much about the rummy connection without seeing how the situation was laid out like presented it in that scenario i put forth. and i'm not using any "tactics"...you have good reason to have suspicion about claims by bush, but look at the information provided and decide for yourself before finding conspiracies. further i just found it odd that you took the time to research the subject and post links but didn't see how and why one drug was chosen over the other drug and brought out the ties to rummy card as a potential reason even though it is clear why one drug was immediately chosen. call me a moron but when i saw tamiflu was easier to distribute than relenza and doesn't have limitations like relenza then it just seems like that is the easier choice. am i saying anything that sounds outlandish or bringing out any "tactics" here?
The Story of This Thread Clutch BBS posters bash Bush for not stockpiling vaccine simliar to other countries... ...Bush stockpiles same vaccine... ...Clutch BBS posters bash Bush because vaccine has ties to Rumsfeld... ...deepblue points this out... ...deep blue is attacked for his stance not based on his argument... ...Republicans denounced as a whole... ...rhadamanthus picks fight with everyone not on his side... ...bobrek is older.
You forgot to add that Tamiflu isn't a vaccine. Its an anti-viral agent but taking Tamiflu now won't key up your body's immune system to resist the disease. The answer to preventing a bird flu epidemic is: 1: Identify and isolate outbreaks as they occur before they spread. 2. Start figuring out how to manufacture more vaccine, not Tamiflu.
Maybe Bush should listen to WHO officials instead of hoarding valuable supplies that frontline countries need. Since Avian flu would be a hybrid between bird flu and human flu, the drugs and vaccines would be ineffective by the time an epidemic reaches us. Frontline treatment of the drugs upon ranchers and bird handlers would significantly reduce any chance of hybridization during the time the a strain of a bird's flu inhabits a human.
Wasn't the original post of this thread that Bush wasn't stockpiling vaccines while other countries were? That's what deepblue was replying to. He said nothing about the effectiveness of the drug just that Bush was stockpiling the same vaccines as the other countries.
This is how I read this thread as well. deepblue pointed out the facts. Its not fun debating with bias people.
I'm not sure if there is a specific human version but there is an avian version they've been giving to domesticated chickens and ducks. That's why I posted that we need to figure out how to manufacture a vaccine, I forgot to add for humans. Tamiflu isn't a vaccine and I wish people would quit referring it to one because its giving the mistaken impression that it will prevent the bird flu. Its a treatment and not that good of one. If you get infected its probably better than nothing but its not a cure or preventative for the Bird Flu.
halfbreed: I had nothing to do with the original posts from this thread. I only tacked my blurb onto this post because I remembered seeing it and did not want to start a new thread. I did not even read the first parts of this thread until after deepblue got all huffy about it. Suffice to say, I'm not being hypocritical. I think any "stockpiling" is stupid. If my current sig wasn't so perfectly befitting- I'd replace it with this. Awesome. So very old. I think I happily ate some crow from robbie380. Relating the facts is not bias. Doh! But now I'm still picking fights - Damn that clever halfbreed!
