How can a team have such bad motion on offense? They can't pass it around without getting the ball deflected or having to resort to helter skelter basketball... guys come off the curl and can't get the feed and just run out and then we take a bad shot ... can't get the ball into yao ... reminds me of houston when we had a disfunctional offense against seattle in '96 on defense we man up but we don't close gaps and we don't deny penetration ... we give up a ton of "easy" buckets and second chance buckets i know tmac is out, but this team doesn't play a fundamentally sound game at all ... the drives are erratic and random, the motion is plays look totally undirected man we look bad on tv!
The worst one to watch was Yao batttling for a position. He f@#ng dont need to dance around the court. Besides that that was unnecessary, he was off the rhythm with thte ball passing.
EXACTLY, havent we embaressed ourselves enuff on national televison! i was at the game today and the guy behind me yelled out "Hey Vangundy, have f*****g nice thanksgiving!!! YOU SUCK!!!!!!!" i dont know why i felt so good after he said that, it made my day. basically WE SUCK!!! nuff said
i've said this since last year. we have no ball movement and no player movement on offense. i takes us to the 10 sec. mark on the shot clock to get a pass usually. we don't run and get easy baskets that way, so it's no wonder we have the worst offense in the history of professional basketball (sorry i had to go bill walton on everyone). i tought van gundy finally got it last year in the latter part of the season when we started to fast break opportunistically and move the ball on offense but we're doing the same old crap again. jvg proved a lot of us wrong including myself towards the end of last year when our offense heated up, but i'm convinced that's not how he wants to play looking at it this year. i want to give the guy the benefit of the doubt but i'm running really thin on that. worse case scenario this team should be 6-6, and we're 3-9....something is terribly wrong with this team. we can't wait any longer to make some type of change. we are quickly entering toronto raptor and atlanta hawk territory, and that is very scary.......
sage but a lot of that has to do with JVG too. if you want your guards to dump it into yao, that's fine. but you should have an offense where you at least have these guards running through and use yao's good passing ability, or set screens for other guards to pop open. do something with them. that comes from gundy. this is HIS offense, if he doesn't want his guards to run through, and rather have him just stand and wait for a straight pass back out, the players have to do it or they don't get to stay on the floor. to me the offense is on JVG, the players are there to score at least 90+ points a night, but we are fortunate to get 80. it's pathetic. our guard play has been bad, but our offensive scheme is even worse.
Oh I totally agree. See knowing JVG's schema of the past from SF3 and even with Allan Houston, I'm so used to seeing the guard who makes the entry pass cross diagonally across to the opposite side of the paint to help clear for the center. Yet even the most basic of plays like these I haven't seen!!!! I'm not sure what's up with our offensive schema but judging by how rigid our guards have been playing (with the exception of Head), I do wonder if our players are just scared! I mean, it's kind of the like the difference between running things textbook style versus just having a sense of the flow and oncourt leadership to call the right plays. I get the feeling its more the former right now - for some cases like Stro who's stil learning and for others like DA and Wesley b/c they're scared $hitless or something... what do you think? I don't know. I keep scratching my head for reasons and it keeps coming back to our guard play. theSAGE
Dumping into Yao and moving offense are totally unrelevant issues. Looking at how other teams play with big PF/centers, the guards are moving, searching for open shoot chance or just attracting the defensive players away from double-team the centers. Rockets' guards are often just standing there when they dumped the ball to Yao, watching him play, no supporting moves anymore, no offensive boards anytime.
I also get frustrated that even after a time out, they still couldn't make a play But I also noticed that most of the guards now seems to be hesitant in taking shots. They always pump-fake before trying out a shot. They seem to have lost their confidence
You can watch the game and focus on particular positions for several possessions at a time ... at one point I was focusing on Swift....he didn't really move, just stood with his man near the high block... there's no offense that asks your power forward to be 15 ft away from the bucket while nothing is going on and the defense is scrambling and deflecting our passes and then when the shots went up, he'd spring back the other way...i'm thinking they're not even thinking second chance... yes i know phoenix is a fast break team and you need to defend against that, but swift was just jogging the court and doing nothing else... in the end he had a putback and i thought if he has those types of instincts why was he dogging it the wohle game ! the guards had to pump fake when they got the ball...this made me laugh..just means we have very slow and predictable ball movement as well as poor spacing such that a team like phoenix with below average defensive discipline but above average speed can shut down our offense... and of course there was post feed issue... i mean every strategy has a counter-strategy...they were aggresively denying him entry , but there's alot of counter-strategies and we didn't adjust at all
our guards to play scared and have a lack of confidence shooting the ball. they pass up too many shots and just give to yao or tracy with about 4 secs. left on the shot clock and expect them to pull a miracle out of the ass everytime. the guards are playing very bad, but i think their lack of confidence has something to do with JVG though. i'm sure he's said, alright we're not making any outside shots so unless your wide open don't shoot. that's not the attitude to have. you have to tell them that if they are good shots, you have to take them. they will eventually fall, don't lose confidence. i just think JVG is compounding the problem with our guards because he's making them think too much, instead of playing.
