Oh, and forgot to mention, our government's own estimates say Iran is at LEAST 10 years away from nuclear bomb, so take it for what it's worth.
bro, if people cant understand the difference between terrorism and Islam... I doubt the other side of the spectrum can differentiate between zionism and judaism.
There's a big difference between extremist zionists and zionists. I don't see why anyone would have a problem with Jews wanting a state of their own (unless they are racist themselves). However, I do have a problem with the extremists wanting to expand the borders passed what they are only to create more issues/violence.
My point was not to to debate the different streams within Zionism, I was merely pointing out that Being Jewish and being a Zionist are two different things, although they are often associated with one another/overlap. For ex: some of the most hardened Zionists (or what you called extremists Zionists) are Christians, not Jews.
lets just say the U.N decides to give Texas to the Kurds....and you were asked to leave your house and move! and then say the Kurds who moved to Texas take over Cali & New Mexico...will you fight for this land??...i guarantee you there would be a major struggle...and then add in the holy land concept in Israel and you've got even a bigger problem... the weak don't have a voice...you don't hear from them.....you only see the prospective of the powerful....again i'm not saying one side is right the other wrong....i'm just saying you're not getting the full picture....all you hear about is terrorist suicide bombing.
actually....what i'm hearing is the president of a nation with nuclear ambitions saying he wants to wipe israel off the map....
Tigermission, I know you weren't arguing that, but I just wanted to point it out anyways. Being Jewish and Zionist are two different things. Zionism is an ideal that is extremely important to the vast majority of jews (not all... but the minority is very very small). Throughout history, we have been enslaved and punished for our beliefs. I guess thats what you get for being the first religion to believe in one god. It's not that hard to fathom that most jews agree in the ideal that we should have a homeland where jews can escape persecution. Vince, I'm not going to sit here and argue who holds claim to the land. ITS POINTLESS and will always lead to a dead end. We hear these comments by the Iranian President and it should scare everyone on both sides. The point I was trying to make earlier is that the arab world hates Israel more than they care about the Palestinians. We've seen UN Sanction after UN Sanction against Israel brought forth by arab nations instead of using their resources to get the Palestinians on their feet. We see a President preaching the end of Zionism at a freakin university. This comes a month after the withdrawal from Gaza. I guess they won't be happy until all of Israel is gone and that is why the Israeli opposition to the withdrawal existed (i was pro-withdrawal btw).
I strongly disagree. Iran has a history of terrorism and hostage taking. Many groups in Iraq and Palestine (Hezbellah) have strong ties to Iran. Furthermore, you're talking about ties with groups who are willing to wipe themselves out and a large chunk of their country men if it would destroy Israel. I think the last thing we need after 9/11 is to underestimate the hate and ruthlessness of these groups - and the power they have. Many of the scientists and military officials may sympathzize strongly enough to help them build a bomb and then launch it into Israel. Iran is the real deal - Iraq was not. I say that based on the President's comments - we should strike at any nuclear facility. Since Iran won't cooperate - then it's time to protect the world. Finally, if a man says he has a gun, you have a right to strike first in self-defence. He can say later he was just postering, but why take the risk? Word from the head of state must be taken as the truth. I respect your vision of a peaceful world, but it's time to stop defending people who foster hate and seek to destroy.
Actually just saying someone has a gun doesn't mean you have the right to strike first in self-defense. If a person claims to have a gun you still can't strike until they've actually threatened you and you have a strong reason to believe they really have that threat. There have been regular people and police officers who've been convicted of assault or manslaughter for acting on a perceived threat without it actually being so. To apply your analogy to the situation with Iran given the potential costs and unforeseen consequences of attacking Iran I would say you would fairly solid proof that Iran had or was close to developing nukes. Just taking the Iranian President's word on it shouldn't cut it when we're talking about committing to another war. I mean if the Iranian president said Iran has developed photon torpedos would you say we need to attack Iran because we can't afford the risk of Iranians having photon torpedos and I take the Iranian Pres's word on it?
From my understanding the Romans were the ones who kicked many of the Jews out. Many of those that remained probably ended up becoming Muslims 7 centuries later. I don't know the history that well but I wouldn't be surprised if many of today's Palestinians are descended from the Jews that lived there 2000 years ago.
Nice simplistic, lopsided view of what took place over 50 years ago. There were atrocities on both sides.
I would be surprised if that were true. Regardless, let's not forget that Jews and Arabs are closely related, and contrary to common use ... 'semite' refers to both peoples.
Not close. Let's say the Russians had evicted all Texans from their homeland and 2000 years later their descendents return ... and according to their Bible God gave Texas to the Texans for eternity. Then your getting a little closer to a descent analogy.
Which part? That the Romans drove out many of the Jewish inhabitants, that those who were Jews who did stay in the area of Judea-Samaria ended up becoming Muslim when Islam swept the area in the 8th C. or that many of the today's Palestinians might be descended from Jews that remained in the area of Judea-Samaria? I'll admit I'm not up on the history of the region between the Rome and the Crusades and the Crusades and the 20th C. but its not like that region stood empty during that time. It makes sense to me that people who lived in that region became Muslims when Islam came through and that Palestinians who can trace their heritage in the region ancestors were very possibly Jews. For instance Yemen prior to the rise of Islam was a Jewish Kingdom.
No one said another war - we've used our air force and navy to destroy installations before. We don't need to overthrow the Irainian gov't, just destroy their nuclear program. I'm sorry - if someone is constantly threatning to blow up your house - and you know they are buying tons of pounds of fertilizer - you don't wait until your house is gone to react. You take action. If someone was threatning my family and I knew they had lots of guns and things of that nature - you better believe I'd buy a gun and as soon as that cat wondered into my lawn - bang bang. Now, here you have the Iranians talking about wiping off Israel off the map, and they are seeking nuclear weapons. Sorry - i fully support a pre-emptive strike agains their weapons facilities. You can't appease these monsters.
Actually according to some anthropologists, the Palestinians are descendents of the Philistines which were the people in Southern Cannan when the Israelites moved in. Although I agree that some of those who stayed behind probably joined the native Palestinian populations.
There is a big difference between having a gun in a holster and having a nuclear missle programmed with the coordinates to your city.... and all it needing is a touch of a button.
