Horrendous officiating proves NBC to be sports entertainment and not sports comp.

Dream got calls? I wish. I sure didn't notice them.

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Cheaters never win. Unless you play for LA that is.

 

Cat...

Dream didn't get calls? So...he never walked doing that dreamshake, huh? Or...every blocked shot he got at least one wasn't a goaltend?

Cat, you have to be fair. And you are not. But that is your right. Its ok.

And to the rest, I apologize for being so rabid. Its just that why can Rocketfans complain about not getting any credit and some of us don't want to give it out? Whats with the asterisk?

Its not fair. Shaq and Kobe, and I hate that mother****er Kobe more than most, but he has to get respect because at 21 he is clearly becoming the best player on both sides of the floor. Its not fair to hate him to the point of not giving him credit. I hate Malone but I will never take away the fact that he was and still is a hell of a player and is going down as the best PF of ALL TIME. I still hope for an elbow to his mug, but I don't take away credit.

I am starting to think Mantronix is The Cat. But I will withhold judgement until further proof is available.

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[This message has been edited by Almu (edited June 05, 2000).]

 

Almu said what I was going to say, only better.

The point about Kobe is an excellent one. Sure, he's overhyped, but he also had 25 points, 11 rebound, 7 assists and 4 blocks(!) in a Game Seven.

And he and Shaq personally put a 10-2 run on the Blazers (which would have been 10-0 without a shaky goaltending call) after Wallace put them ahead 77-75 with 3 minutes left. So hate them if you want, but to say they didn't come through in the clutch -- as Cat as said -- isn't just an opinion. It's a lie.

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[This message has been edited by Swopa (edited June 05, 2000).]

 

What I meant was Dream never got the calls that Jordan and others did. Any player with a dependable move will get a few calls now and then, but he never was given the superstar status by the refs that they gave Jordan.

Also, I will swear to you right now that I am not any other poster on this board. I am not that kind of person, and I really do take offense at that. I am my own person, and would never do that kind of stuff. I have only posted under one name, this one.

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Cheaters never win. Unless you play for LA that is.

 

Swopa- I'm beginning to think you have something in common with Shaq. Your IQ. You've never talked to me and you have no idea of my true personality or the way I think, but you make judgments like that. Very bright.

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Cheaters never win. Unless you play for LA that is.

 

It isn't a lie, but a fact. Shaq did virtually nothing. Was it him stroking the threes? Making all the shots? No. The Blazers handed the Lakers the game. The Fakers didn't earn it. They were given a gift. That isn't coming through in the clutch.

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Cheaters never win. Unless you play for LA that is.

 

Cat, my sincerest apologies.

Vince,

You know why your post don't hold water? Because if you compare Sabonis fouling out to Dream fouling out, why would I want to respond to that?

But, like I said, I can stand here and argue all day, all night. Won't change the minds of people who just believe in the "Roswell" paranoia.

Lets just agree to disagree....OH NO, I JUST SAW SOMEONE LOOKING AT ME THROUGH A PEEP HOLE!!!! COULD IT BE!!! ARGHH....LASER HITTING ME...ON THE TEMPLE....SOMEONE...SOMETHING...MONITORING MY THOUGHTS....I FEEL...MUST...TYPE.....ROCKETS....IN....SEVEN??? NO....MISTYPE...ROCKETS...SIGNING...HILL...SOON...ON...AUGUST...2nd....WTF?????....HELP!!!!....FIRE IN MY BRAIN!!!....

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[This message has been edited by Almu (edited June 05, 2000).]

 

Vince, I have said the Shaq/Smith call was a bad call in my view (though it wasn't like Smith looked like he was trying to score, only trying to get a foul, refs don't like that, especially in the last minute). But I also gave you 3 calls that all favored the Blazers in the 4th quarter (no one has even mentioned Sheeds little push before Horry's "charge" into Pippen with the game tied with like 3 minutes left. If Portland wanted a gift, that was big one that could have shifted momentum). Before accusing posters of being baseless, you might try reading their posts.

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I'm not upset about the smith no-call at the end of the game as much as i am upset about the ticky-tack fouls called on Sabonas and Grant throughout the game. sabas may be getting on in years, bu there is no way we were going to hope to contain Shaq without him.

Whether they got the calls or not, i congratulate them on the victory. This thing was pushed to 7 despite everyone writing them off after game one and then after game 4. We'll be back next year.

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It's an absolute warzone in my house; I live with Rocket fans, Knick fans, and Laker fans.

 

Poor Sabonis, Poor Sabonis.

Man gets ZERO calls all year, every televised game on NBC and cable, i see the man get gimped all the time.

He never gets crap for calls.

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Any intelligent mind will tell you that the reason the Blazers were playing so well was cause they contained Shaq. Certainly Brian Grant was having a TERRIBLE series. Sabonis fouls out, end of game. I've watched the goaltending call and it was very, very close and arguable both ways. The Robert Horry charge was ridiculous. The man tries to hurdle a POrtland player and you are going to say he was shoved in the back--what a little push. That is a charge, no ifs ands or buts. Also, it doesnt matter if you are trying to get a foul. There is no rule that says don't call a foul if it is obviously coaxed by the offense player (if there was where would Reggie Miller be?). Steve Smith no call absolutely horrendous. Had an immediate impact on the game and that is sad.

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When I die I want to go peacefully like my grandfather. Not screaming like the passengers in the back seat!

 

i dont know if anybody wrote this, but if there is any one sided "no callS" then it would have to be pippen not being suspended for that elbow to the back of john sally's head (of course, cowards always take cheap shots from behind). whats worse stepping four feet away from the bench (as brian shaw did) to see a minor scuffle or actually hitting someone (quitten).........

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johnny "red" kerr:i'm glad the bulls did'nt draft steve francis.

dan roan: why!!!!!

johnny red kerr:because he would forever be compared to michael jordan.

 

JayZ, watch the Horry play on tape. He fakes Wallace out of a pump fake, and while going by Wallace puts the hand in the back. If you want to be a strict intepretation of the rules as you say "There is no rule that says don't call a foul if it is obviously coaxed by the offense player (if there was where would Reggie Miller be?)", then you call that before the charge occurs, period. The game was tied when this play occurred and I believe Portland scored on the very next play to go up by 2 with less than 3 minutes left. That was their break (not to mention that phatom Kobe push of Smith or the goaltending call), they didn't deliver the rest of the way--pure and simple. Bad calls happended both ways, there is no conspiracy. The Blazers have, no one to blame but themselves, and every single Blazer and coach with an once of balance knows this.


[This message has been edited by sir scarvajal (edited June 06, 2000).]

 

okay, this is bull. the officiating went both ways. shaq was in fact not illegal most of the time (he actually stayed out with sabonis, which resulted in a LOT of easy stuff for wallace) while pippen WAS. the officials called at least 6 illegals on shaq during the course of the series, pippen got NONE. pippen drew four charges in game four, at least two of them he was still moving his feet, and that is a blocking foul, but they were called charges. kobe bryant puts up a shot from the free throw line, wallace (or jermaine, have to check the tape) blocks it under the basket and it is called clean, uh huh. smith falls from catching his foot on an invisible line and the foul goes on kobe, okaaay. smith hooks kobe (and whoever was guarding him) everytime and it is not called. shaq gets hit hard three times before the officials call one. blaming the porltand loss on the officials is beyond paranoid. if there is a conspiracy then why root for the rockets since its obvious that they'll never win a championship, oh wait, they did!

and dream's dreamshake was traveling.

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That post is so ridiculous and wrong on almost every point I don't have time to dispute it all. The officiating was not close. End of story. I'm sure you like the Fakers too and want to make it seem like they earned their title, but simply I don't buy it. And the dreamshake was not even close to traveling.

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man, cat, your laker hate is blinding you to the facts man, bad calls are made during the course of the game. that last noncall was a bad one by the refs, but smith threw out his offarm on the play. maybe the refs finally got tired of him hooking and let it go. maybe the refs were making a makeup call for that bad goaltending whistle on shaq. but it is no conspiracy.

honestly, if you really think there is a conspiracy in the nba, you might as well stop watching right now cause obviously any future rockets championships will have been fixed and should therefore mean nothing to you anyways.



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I don't think there is an all out conspiracy from day 1 to determine the champion. I just feel like in the closing minutes of big games, NBA officials greatly favor big market and popular teams and give them the benefit of the doubt. I have a lot of evidence to support that- just take a look at the Lakers and Knicks series' this year and the calls they continually would get.

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Cheaters never win. Unless you play for LA that is.

 

okay, that's a bit fairer and i can even accept it to a certain point. i still don't agree with you, but hey, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. i'm just glad i'm right and you're wrong!

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