Have the Anti-Abortion Only Voters Been Played by the GOP Insiders?

In my mind trying to end abortion with the threat of imprisonment is using violence to end violence. It is backwards and self-defeating.

 

So should we not use the "threat of imprisonment" to end rape, murder, robbery and other violence?

 

No. Not one bit.

 

i can tell you from experience...they don't all know. i'm amazed that we still need sex education in this country...amazed that someone wouldn't know what causes all this to begin with. but apparently we do.

not only do they not know...most have no clue exactly what's growing inside them. i've volunteered in crisis pregnancy centers before, and i'm amazed at how little most people know about that. but then again, these are happening with greater frequency in areas where the education level is low.

 

really???? do you really think that?

 

Yeah, I don't think laws and violence should be used to try and ultimately stop anything. They can exist to have a functional society, but no salvation lies within.

I also think these days that people put their hopes of law enforcement and the industrial prison complex providing a solution to all problems (prohibtion, war on drugs, and now abortion).

 

I agree, CS Lewis has a great statement on this in Theory on Humanitarian Punishment. To change a society we must make it where people obey the law out of a sense of justice and duty, not simply out of fear of imprisonment.

Of course prison does have its place for penitential reasons, hence the name penitentiary

 

and in THEORY, i agree too. in theory.

but in reality...it's unworkable.

 

i have no idea. it certainly wouldn't surprise me, though.

 

I think their should be a healthy measure of both, and that we should work towards the theory.

 

completely agree.

 

We usually do, except on that whole Catholic/Protestant thing.

 

and I'm Irish, so that should be a big thing.

except it's not my two best friends growing up were catholic, and i went to mass with them all the time. the first girl i fell in love with was catholic. many close friends who are.

it was to my grandparents, though. my grandfather was only about 2 generations away from Ireland where the Catholics hung a family member because he was a Protestant minister. yikes.

 

Not to get into whether abortion is right or wrong but I think OddsOn is the exact example of the type of voter who is being played by this issue. I very much agree that the leadership of the GOP probably is very aware that if Roe were overturned and Abortion outlawed there would be a very serious backlash. Moderate voters who support the GOP on economic and security issues will very likely abandon party. For someone like OddsOn though they don't have much of a choice though because obviously the Dems aren't going to push for banning abortion. In the end they're stuck sticking with the party that at least talks about it but so far hasn't done much about it.

 

Unfortunately, your assumptions here are a huge part of the problem with the abortion debate. First, it is a fetus, not a baby. Second, it is not "killing" if the fetus is not a "life." Third, I have seen no proof that legal abortions "encourag[e] a much looser outlook towards sex."

You are welcome to continue assuming things, but don't expect all of us to share in what many of us see as your delusion.

No. All medical procedures performed in this country need to be performed in a regulated facility by licensed medical personnel. The only way to make sure that this is the case with abortion is at the federal level.

 

Andy, are you sure you can't see the GREAT IRONY of this? If only we all (children in utero included) could "live" with your assumptions...