Have the Anti-Abortion Only Voters Been Played by the GOP Insiders?

You are exactly right that the Republicans will not dare do away with Roe vs Wade because they will be out of power for many years if they did. If people think pro-life groups have power right now, you wouldn't believe the power of pro-choice groups if abortion was to be made illegal.

 

Except for the Religious Right, most GOP insiders know that striking down Roe would put them in permanent minority party status. If abortion would sent back to the states where it belonged, the pro-choicers would demolish the pro-lifers in most cases.

IMO, there is no chance Roe will be overturned. I don't believe John Roberts would vote to overturn it. As someone said, at best, he will prevent similar rulings from happening again. You can clearly see by these last 2 nominations that anyone who is overtly anti-Roe has no chance to be confirmed. The ballgame is really over.

The GOP is more concerned about being elected than standing against abortion. That is the nature of political parties. The Religious Right either can't see that or doesn't want to admit it. For that matter, the RR still can't still to see that the majority of people in the country are pro-choice, with some restrictions.

For the record, I am an independent anti-abortion conservative Christian who detests the RR.

 

i think the nature of politics is "playing" the voter, but in this case dubya made such an issue out of his strong "faith" and christian beliefs. it truly was the extreme right-wing christians who put dubya into office and they feel that he owes them. these nutballs are single issue voters (2 issue voters if you count tryin' to keep the queers from gettin' married). abortion was the ONLY issue for them and dubya betrayed them.

i dont think dubya gives a rats ass about abortion.

 

I was watching "Meet the Press" and one of the media guys on the round table was questioning if Laura and Barbara Bush were pro-choice and if they are influencing Dubya. this is going to get very intresting.

My opinion is that a President shouldn't be putting someone on the Supreme Ct. just because of abortion anyway unless they can support their position through interpertation of the law. In the end, as far as the Supreme Court is concerned its still a legal issue.

 

clinton said he would only put pro-choice justices on.

why wont bush say he will only put pro-life justices on? what is he scared of?

 

I kind of feel sorry for the religious right. They have been by far the most consistent and loyal followers of the Bush junta since the beginning. Hell! Before the beginning. They have waited patiently for 35 years for a chance to overturn R v W and they thought they had their man. It was promised so many times over the last 5 years! "Just wait! We'll have our conservative judge." Look how Jr has stabbed them in the back!

What the Dems need to do now is reach out the RR and pound it into their heads how the admin has "played them" and how they were lied too. How the admin played them for fools. Cultivate the revolt within the republican party to split them.

 

Don't all politicians use voters to get elected and then dump them by the wayside once the election is over?

 

It's a theory that has been floating around the right wing camp for a few decades, now. The GOP are victims to liberals. The liberals are all-mighty. The liberals are why class divisions exist - ignoring the huge economic aspect of the situation. And ultimately, the Conservatives need to continue to be victims of culture warfare. If they put a law against abortion, the curtian is pulled and ultimately the GOP's gains post-1980 will be lost. Why fight for abortions when the same people are destroying your worker rights?

 

yes, but historically politicians try present themselves as centerists or moderates to get the most voter bang for the buck.

in the case of the neo-cons and dubya they said screw the centerists and aggressively courted the extreme right wing and the fire n' brimstone christians. they are very loyal and will turn out in droves to vote for their man. we had pastors telling their congregations to vote republican during sermons. democrats getting run out of their churches for not voting for bush. (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,155815,00.html)

dubya owes his presidency to the right-wing christian fanatics who gave him their total support and he betrayed them on the only issue that they give a damn about.

for the record, i am a christian, but i prefer the new testament to the old. i dont know what brand of christianity someone like pat roberston or george bush follows, but it aint mine. jesus was way cool.

 

Human Selfishness will always win out over Justice, Equality and Fairness

Rocket River

 

We're all being played. Most politicians have no loyalty to the ideals they profess - their only loyalty is to power. I don't believe they have any particular loyalty to the interests of average Americans either.

 

two words... Stare Decisis



...the lawyer has spoken. Carry on !

 

I guess by that logic we should go ahead and make White and Colored bath rooms and just start segregating again.

 

maybe not ..
but I can see the near future of VOUCHERED and UNVOUCHER SCHOOLS
which may look very segregated

Rocket River

 

I find it amusing that so many people apparently think that Miers is some sort of closet liberal. Another Souter. I don't believe that at all. I'm appalled at the choice. Now, I can understand people being upset because she is unqualified, and an insult to the SC bench. I would agree with that.



Keep D&D Civil.

 

Why is abortion even a national issue? It should be left up to the states to decide. Bottom line is by having an abortion you are killing a baby and probably encouraging a much looser outlook towards sex. If most of these girls were shown the video of what really goes on during an abortion they would dwindle quickly. Hey, I'm not saying that its not your choice to kill your unborn child but why are you pregnant to begin with? Outside of being raped, its probably due to your lack of judgement that got you in that position to begin with. So by encouraging an abortion what lesson does that teach? "I got drunk and had unprotected sex and all I got was this vacuum hose stuffed up my coochie!" yeah thats a pretty picture.

For a party who always preaches to be the "most compassionate" it always puzzles me why your platform is built around these types of things....

 

WOO-HOO! Two for the price of one!

 

That's the Arnie Vinick strategy. He's the Republican who lied to a figurehead of his base.

 

If most of these girls were shown the video of what really goes on during an abortion they would dwindle quickly.

BS. Women know; they talk among themselves.