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  1. RIET

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    Bomar is way overrated. He reminds me of a faster Chance Mock who was also highly ranked but was 2nd tier at best.

    Bomar is probably more like 6' (not 6'2") and will probably not be good enough to carry his team for at least 2 more seasons.

    Peterson would be stupid not to leave after this year. And if he doesn't, a major shoulder or ankle injury could slow him down again.

    Oklahoma has not made huge recruiting strides this year in Texas and their mediocre season will probably hurt them. Next year will probably be even worse as Stoops can no longer use the "I outcoached Mack" lines.

    Stoops' act is going to wear thin and his best coaches have left the program for greener pastures.

    People used to think Stoops was some genius. Everyone should now realize the true genius was Nick Saban who took the package and ran.
     
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  2. Manny Ramirez

    Manny Ramirez The Music Man

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    I hear ya - I felt the same way on Brock Berlin. He was like the #1 QB coming out of high school and he was one of the worst starting QBs to ever play at Miami in the last 25 years.

    Texas did exactly what they needed to do - solid win. I would love to see them play Va Tech as I think that would be a helluva game. And I know that USC struggled a little bit with Arizona, but I am still not convinced that either Texas or Va Tech can beat the Trojans. Yet, they are the only 2 teams that really has a realistic chance of doing so.
     
  3. Anticope

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    Peterson is only a sophomore, he can't leave after this year.
     
  4. RIET

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    ...then he'd better get some more bandages.
     
  5. SamFisher

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    Have you ever paid attention to the last two months of a Virgina Tech Hokie football season? They usually start strong, then the wheels have a tendency to fall off, then the chassis hurtles into a ravine, bursts into flame, which burns through a concrete containment dome under which nuclear waste is kept - e.g. losing to Temple. inter alia.
     
  6. Angle02

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    Bomar is a Freshman that has been thrown out there with a pack of wolves. He has no OL and his WR aren't as good as the past ones have been. He is a RS Freshman btw so he's gone a year without playing in a game. Given time and experience he'll do better.
    As someone pointed out earlier, Peterson is just a Soph so he cant leave. But even if he could why should he? He should stay, graduate, and go on to the NFL. If he has a career ending injury then he'll have something behind him to have another career.
    How sure are you that OU hasn't made hugh recruiting strides in Texas? Is that just what you believe or heard from someone? OU always has recruiters in Texas. It's not going to be any different this year.
    Stoops is right where he should be. He is getting a lot of money. Yes his Sooners isn't doing that well this year but it's a rebuilding year. He knows that. Nick Saban might not have been the true genius. He could have coached at LSU probably for the rest of his career. Now that he moved on to the NFL he doesn't have that job security.

    I believe this is the best Horns team that I remember watching. If Vince Young can develope a better arm he'll be great. They have to keep the other Young off the field. He cant hold onto a football to save his life. OU is out of the picture for anything so I'll pulling for UT to be the National Champs.
     
  7. bigtexxx

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    Looks like Ohio State lost last night to Penn State. Expect them to drop in the polls.
     
  8. Rocketman95

    Rocketman95 Hangout Boy

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    I wake up this morning to read the most predictable thread at CC.net.

    HOOK 'EM.

    What a great day yesterday. A complete thrashing of the Sooners and the Astros get within one game of the NLCS. Two developments that upset the twins!! Woohoo!!

    GO 'STROS!!!
     
  9. RIET

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    1. The fact Bomar is a RS freshman means he should be more prepared than a true freshman. His throws are often way off target even when the WR is wide open. He's had an entire year to learn the system and physically develop. He may get better but he certainly doesn't look like the #1 QB propsect in the nation. He gets flustered far too easily - even against teams like Tulsa (who is not Texas). Certainly his offense is nowhere near as good as his predecessors, but it's still good enough that he should perform better, especially with a year under his belt.

    2. If Peterson left early, he'd be guaranteed a big NFL contract. If he stays beyond his junior year, there is a strong possibility that he would suffer a career ending injury or be downgraded in draft status and get labeled as injury prone. He had some shoulder problems in 2004. This year, his ankles are going to bother him the remainder of the season. As far as graduating, who are you kidding. This is the same kid who got reprimanded by Stoops for failing to go to class. His future is professional football - not as an entry level accountant making $50k a year. From that standpoint, he'd be stupid to risk staying 4 years.

    3. You obviously don't follow recruiting too closely. Previously, Oklahoma was able to land Tommie Harris, Peterson, Bomar and other tier 1 Top 5 Texas talent - largely selling them the "Mack Brown sucks" line. This season, they are whiffing on the majority of the "difference makers" in the state:

    http://texas.rivals.com/viewrank.asp?ra_key=1253

    Out of the top 20 prospects in the state, they'll probably land 2 which is surprising considering prior to yesterday, they had beaten Texas 5 in a row and played for a national championship - which didn't matter to Sergio Kindle or Eddie Jones. The fact they also lost out on Myron Rolle to FSU (out of state prospect) should be pretty discouraging consdering they'd been recruiting him when he was sophmore.

    Next year, they'll have a much bigger challenge as recruits will view Texas as a program on the rise, and Oklahoma as a team on the decline.

    Also, Stoops will have lost his greatest advdantge which was, we are better coaches and we beat Texas every year - the main reason Harris, Bomar, and Peterson all chose Oklahoma over Texas. Now, many of the top in state talent are looking at Texas or USC.

    Oklahoma lost a ton of momentum both in recruiting and in player menatlity when USC humiliated them in the national championship game.

    Stoops was always Mr October and Mr January while Mack was Mr. February. What happens when Mr. October is Mr. Next year? certainly won't help in recruiting. Mack Brown will always be a good recruiter whether he beats Oklahoma or not. Bob Stoops needs victories to recruit well more than Mack does and he's now lost that edge.

    And by the way, how many players in your 2003 recruiting class are still on the team?
     
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  10. MManal

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    This imo is something that deserves more attention. Lou Holtz brought this issue up several times on Saturday, and this thought kept popping in my mind when bigtexxx was sitting on his soap box talking about how OU is dominating the recruiting wars. Its all fine to have your recruiting class ranked in the top 5 by rivals; which OU's 2003 class was (#4). However, the true results dont really surface until a few years into the future. OU's 2003 class contained 24 recruits and was ranked #4 in the nation by rivals. Of those 24, only 10 are left on the team with the only starters being Cody Freeby the kicker and Joe Jon Finley the tight end. This is why there is a gigantic talent gap this season.

    Compare this to the Longhorns 2003 class which was ranked #15 by rivals. This was considered one of Mack Brown's worst classes by the "experts". Lets see the results in 2005: Billy Pittman (yes the same guy that caught the TD pass before halftime and made the one handed TD grab later in the game), Tim Crowder, Michael Griffin and Limas Sweed are starters and key contributors to this year's team. In addition, Robert Killebrew, Tony Hills Jr, Tarrell Brown (sometimes starts) and Dallas Griffin provide very key depth to this team. The Longhorn staff successfully converted Hills from a 5 star tight end into a left tackle, and he will step in for Jonathan Scott next season after Scott goes to the NFL.

    Just a few yrs ago, lots of folks were talking about how Stoops is the master of developing talent and players that go to Texas do not improve, etc. Considering the amount of talent Texas has put in the NFL over the last few seasons along with the fact that many players that were not 5 star recruits by rivals have made huge contributions to this team, the results do speak for themselves. Btw, I think its absolutely hilarious that there were SEVEN running backs ranked ahead of Jamaal Charles in the 2005 Rivals 100 rankings. This just goes to show that recruiting rankings are an absolute guess and should not receive the kind of attention that they do by certain Rice fans.
     
  11. gucci888

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    Great game for the Horns, went as expected for me.

    Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the game? I was there but I still want to see it on tv or computer.
     
  12. SamFisher

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    texxx, this fellow's broadside has done considerable damage to your quaint tactic of vicarious living through various longhorn opponents. Will you parry this thrust or fold?
     
  13. bigtexxx

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    Sam, you are most certainly unfit to consider yourself amongst the prudhommes of the bbs to cast judgment upon such a public figure as myself. I hereby raise the hue and cry to summon you to go before the village alderman for a grand assize.

    His post was absurd. I wasn't on any kind of soapbox. I merely stated that OU has outrecruited UT the past few years. My basis for this fact was Rivals, which is considered to be one of the more reputable services out there.
     
  14. bigtexxx

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    Horns have it all -- but the numbers won't add up

    http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/news;...g=hornshaveitallbutthenumb&prov=tsn&type=lgns

    By Matt Hayes - SportingNews

    We were waiting for it -- shoot, begging for it. Texas had done everything possible in tossing aside five years of agony. The only thing remaining in the Red River Rout was a Heisman Trophy moment for quarterback Vince Young. You know, the unforgettable, overplayed, can-you-believe-that highlight that turns a pack of voters into cheerleaders.

    Wouldn't you know it? Big Rod Wright, Texas' trash-talkin', hot-doggin' defensive tackle, stole the show -- all 315 pounds of him rumbling down the field with an exclamation point 67-yard fumble return for a touchdown.

    "I was just as surprised as anybody," Wright says. "I didn't know if I was going to make it."

    This just in: Texas may not, either.

    The Longhorns are playing better than any team in the country. They have a better win (at Ohio State) than any team in the country. They have the best player (Young) in the country. But unless Texas gets help and someone knocks off USC (see: Notre Dame), the Longhorns may not have enough juice to make it to the Rose Bowl national title game.

    It's a numbers game, people -- and they're not adding up. The Big 12 probably is the fourth- or fifth-best BCS conference; it's Texas and the 11 dwarves. And the BCS is the evil queen.

    Mirror, mirror on the wall,
    When will Texas take a fall?

    The BCS boys swear up and down that those confounding computer polls aren't biased and that strength of schedule isn't factored into their convoluted equations. Although the first BCS poll won't be released until next week, we already know the computers don't like Texas: Five of the six had Texas eighth going into last week's games. If Virginia Tech and Florida State remain unbeaten, the winner of the ACC championship game could jump Texas. And let's not even get started with Georgia, which would have a stronger argument than anyone's if it stays unbeaten in the SEC.

    Yet here is Texas, a year after benefiting from the BCS numbers, potentially being hurt by them. How does 13-0 and no national championship sound? Ask Auburn. "We've learned," says Young, "that you have to take care of yourself."

    There's no better example than this year's Red River Rivalry. In the last five years, Texas lost this game in every conceivable manner -- blowout, shutout, rip your heart out. You name it, the Horns experienced it.

    So coach Mack Brown began game preparations last week by telling his team they were going to do everything possible to change the outcome. They would play aggressively on both sides of the ball, they would attack instead of react, they would force their will -- their tempo -- on Oklahoma.

    For the first time under Brown, the first-team units went live against each other in practice. The defense ran the same blitz packages OU uses, with the same stunts used at the line of scrimmage. The staff wanted Young to see the scheme with first-team speed, not scout-team speed. This would enable him to recognize the schemes quicker and to adjust the protections and his reads on the option. "I was seeing everything," Young says. "I've never felt more comfortable at the line of scrimmage."

    And Brown never looked more comfortable on the sideline. With Texas leading, 17-6, late in the second quarter, the Longhorns got a stop on defense and took over at their 30 with 55 seconds to play. In previous years, Brown would have sat on the ball. Not this time. "They didn't have to tell me they wanted another shot," Brown says.

    Two plays later, Young threw a beautiful deep ball to Billy Pittman for a 64-yard touchdown. About two hours later, on the wrong end of a 45-12 score, OU coach Bob Stoops looked a whole lot like Brown of years past -- sitting at a podium with an exasperated look, talking about an interference call that took away an interception and turned the momentum. You know, one of those you-never-know-what-would've-happened-had-it-gone-the-other-way sort of excuses.

    Sort of sounds like Auburn, circa 2004.

    Just might be Texas, 2005.
     
  15. junglerules

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    I want to panic as much as the next Horns fan, but the truth is there is a LOT of football left to be played. Several of the nine teams left can't finish undefeated due to matchups with each other. And, if the Horns don't go undefeated, the point is moot anyway. All you can guarantee yourself is a conference championship, and then hope from there that things sort themselves out. Let's start that all off with a USC loss to ND. That might help!! And maybe Maryland can keep improving, and take out VT this weekend.

    But more important than anything else, UT can't slack, and they've gotta take care of Colorado on Saturday. If not, none of this stuff matters.
     
  16. ima_drummer2k

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    If VaTech and FSU both run the table, they will play eachother in the ACC championship game, so that will take care of one of them.

    VaTech still has to play BC and Miami and the ACC championship. I don't see them running the table. They haven't really played anyone yet.

    FSU has to play at Clemson and at Florida. They won't run the table.

    Georgia, they could run the table and they just won at Tennessee. But they would have to win the SEC championship game too which won't be easy.

    The biggest thing that hurt the Horns this weekend was Ohio State losing to Penn State. But if Texas Tech is undefeated when they play and UT beats them, that will really help. Especially if Tech wins the rest of their games, which I think they will. BTW, I think ND will beat USC.

    Sheesh, why can't they just do like I-AA and decide the NC ON the field???
     
  17. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    GO NOTRE DAME !!!

    FIGHT IRISH FIGHT !
     
  18. gucci888

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    The BCS is at it again, it's the same thing year after year, I cannot wait until a new strategy is implemented, a playoffs strategy would be perfect, just like the NFL, NBA, MLB, NCAA Basketball, oh wait...basically all the major forms of athletics this day in age.

    Like some of ya'll already said, there is a whole lot of football left. If Texas takes care of it's business, then that's all you can do. It would be a travesty if the #1 and #2 team cannot compete each other for the National Championship.

    It's kinda sad that we need a computer to tell us who's the best in the country.
     
  19. SamFisher

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    There's a reason why they play the games - the odds of most of these teams remaining unbeaten is low, as I said before, VT has played no one, has the meat of their schedule ahead, and has a history of collapse at the end of their season. I wouldn't be surprised if a few months from now the argument is over which 1-loss team should get to play Texas or USC in the Rose Bowl.
     

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