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NBA TOP 50 List (Article)

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  1. dream2franchise

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    This is the top 50 list from the guy from Fox sports who did the position rankings-please keep in mind that he had to take into account his other rankings when putting together this list so that he wouldn't contradict hmiself.
    Whether he did or not is up to you guys i suppose...
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    Mike Kahn / Special to FOXSports.com
    Posted: 2 hours ago



    The 2005-06 NBA season is coming upon us full speed.

    A brand new minor-league system is now in place with the D-League.
    A new crop of rookies will be unveiled, starring the No. 1 pick overall Andrew Bogut in Milwaukee.

    Then there are the defending champion San Antonio Spurs, having added Michael Finley and Nick Van Exel, attempting to win their fourth NBA title in eight years.

    And if they do, it all begins with superstar power forward Tim Duncan, who after spending time spanning some of the NBA finest minds, is No. 1 on the list of the top 50 players in the NBA.

    For Duncan, 29, this was a major step not only because they won their third title, but the first one A.D. ... that would be after David Robinson retired.

    Mike Kahn's best


    Power forwards | Small forwards

    Shooting guards | Point guards

    Centers



    But it did happen without the much-anticipated confrontation with Shaquille O'Neal and the Miami Heat, who lost in the seventh game of the Eastern Conference finals to the Detroit Pistons.

    O'Neal, although aging and injury-prone, remains the most dominant force when he is healthy and playing. The possibility still looms for the Heat and Spurs to decide the championship come June — particularly with the emergence of O'Neal's new sidekick, third-year guard Dwyane Wade.

    There are plenty of other players and teams that will make an impact on this season, with perennials like Kevin Garnett in Minnesota; O'Neal's former teammate with the Los Angeles Lakers, Kobe Bryant; the preeminent little man in the game — Allen Iverson in Philadelphia; Tracy McGrady helping drive the Houston Rockets back into contention; and Dirk Nowitzki still at the heart of the Dallas Mavericks and scoring seemingly at will.

    But that's just the start. With defending regular season MVP Steve Nash driving Amare Stoudemire into superstardom in Phoenix, and LeBron James still knock, knock, knocking on playoffs' door in Cleveland, there are a plethora of young players on the verge of changing the face of the NBA.

    So without further adieu, while considering winning, leadership and productivity as the primary focus of the criteria, let's begin with Duncan and Shaq and K.G. and break down the top 50 players going into the new season.

    1. Tim Duncan, San Antonio Spurs: The big fundamental now has three titles and three Finals MVP trophies in his case, proving to be the best cornerstone in the game.

    2. Shaquille O'Neal, Miami Heat: We'll see if Shaq can slow the breaking down in his body long enough to be effective late in the season and get it up to full blast by the playoffs.

    3. Kevin Garnett, Minnesota Timberwolves: Bad chemistry and a puffy knee didn't prevent him from becoming the first player in history to average at least 20 points, 10 rebounds and five assists for six consecutive years.

    4. Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers: With Chief Triangle back at coach, plenty of time to get healthy and a few more pieces to the puzzle, Bryant should be back in the playoffs and regaining All-NBA status again.

    5. Dwyane Wade, Miami Heat: Shaq's partner is already proving to be an extraordinary clutch player, a winner and a humble guy to boot. He's a rare combination of talent and substance in a young superstar today.

    6. Allen Iverson, Philadelphia 76ers: Should Maurice Cheeks allow him to stay at point guard, Fearless Fly has a chance to join Nate Archibald as the only players in history to lead the league in scoring and assists.

    7. Tracy McGrady, Houston Rockets: His postseason play was exceptional despite the inability to get out of the first round again. Still, T-Mac's growth was obvious to all who watched the Rockets and he'll get better.

    8. Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Mavericks: He struggled in the postseason, but as the team keeps being restructured from players to coaches, he remains productive. It's still hard to believe a 7-footer can run and shoot like he does.


    Will LeBron James lead the Cavaliers to the playoffs this season? (David Liam Kyle / Getty Images)

    9. LeBron James, Cleveland Cavaliers: His numbers — 27.2 pts., 7.4 rebounds and 7.2 assists — rank with the best of all time and his game keeps improving. But to be the best, he has to find a way into the playoffs.

    10. Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix Suns: If his postseason performance was any indication of what is to come, he will be a first team All-NBA player within a year or two and dominate the interior of every game.

    11. Steve Nash, Phoenix Suns: Last season's MVP had a lot to do with Stoudemire's advancement, and everything to do with the Suns getting to the final four. The big question is how much he has left for this season.

    12. Ray Allen, Seattle SuperSonics: His leadership and clutch shooting in the fourth quarter catapulted the Sonics out of nowhere into scaring the Spurs to death in the conference semifinals. He deserved every penny he got.

    13. Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana Pacers: O'Neal had a really tough season for a lot of reasons, but the bigger concern has been the injuries taking a toll on him two years in a row. Is it the exception or the rule?

    14. Manu Ginobili, San Antonio Spurs: Nobody has won more significant championships around the world in recent years than Ginobili with two NBA titles, a European championship and an Olympic gold medal.

    15. Yao Ming, Houston Rockets: He is so much better than all the criticism makes him out to be, it's ridiculous. He's 7-6, 300 pounds, very skilled and only 25 years old. In case nobody noticed, he keeps getting better.

    16. Vince Carter, New Jersey Nets: Getting traded to the Nets was a god-send to both Carter and the Nets. He was fabulous at the end of last season and has a chance to regain the lost status of the past three years.

    17. Andrei Kirilenko, Utah Jazz: An injury-plagued season crushed the Jazz, but he is the best full-court defensive player in the game and a vastly improving all-around offensive player.

    18. Chauncey Billups, Detroit Pistons: He was so good down the stretch the past two seasons for the two-time Eastern Conference champs ... it will be real interesting to see how he responds being back with coach Flip Saunders.

    19. Baron Davis, Golden State Warriors: The Warriors exploded down the stretch after they acquired B.D. and many believe they have a legitimate shot at making the playoffs this season. If he's trim and healthy, it's legit.

    20. Paul Pierce, Boston Celtics: He's easily a top-10 talent, maybe top-five, but every year the chips seem to multiply on his shoulder. It detracts not only from his game, but really hurts the Celtics in the long run.

    21. Jason Kidd, New Jersey Nets: He responded better than most from micro-fracture surgery last season. A year later, he now has both Carter and Richard Jefferson, and they should be back in the Atlantic Division driver's seat.

    22. Ben Wallace, Detroit Pistons: The most undersized center in the game also has the biggest heart. He's been the best defensive player in the game the past three years and his offensive game improved immensely last season.

    23. Shawn Marion, Phoenix Suns: Despite a nightmarish conference finals performance, he gets to move back to his natural small forward spot and will undoubtedly play at an All-Star level again.

    24. Richard Hamilton, Detroit Pistons: Rip is destined to be this generation's Reggie Miller, without the range or attitude. Relentlessly running and hitting clutch jumpers, he's one of the best mid-range shooters in the game.

    25. Elton Brand, Los Angeles Clippers: Just like the constantly disrespected Clippers, Brand is light years better than anyone recognizes. His long arms, wide body and great hands make him a perennial shot at 20 and 10.

    26. Steve Francis, Orlando Magic: He had a great start to last season, but he reverted back to over-dribbling and bad shots. When his head catches up to his talent, he'll be a perennial All-Star instead of a target for detractors.

    27. Rasheed Wallace, Detroit Pistons: Sheed's numbers don't reflect how much he does for this team, but when he didn't score in the playoffs they didn't win. For them to challenge again, he'll have to score more consistently. Can he?

    28. Michael Redd, Milwaukee Bucks: He has developed himself into one of the preeminent scorers in the game and one of the very best long-range shooters. The next step is to develop everything else and win.

    29. Chris Webber, Philadelphia 76ers: It's wrong to have him ranked this low, but how do you gauge where he is physically and mentally? As SNL fave Roseanne Roseannadanna used to say, "It just goes to show, it's always something."

    30. Gilbert Arenas, Washington Wizards: Having led the Wizards into the second round of the playoffs, he is on the verge of making the leap into superstardom. He just has to figure out when to pass and when to shoot.

    31. Richard Jefferson, New Jersey Nets: If his toughness was ever questioned before, it isn't now the way he fought back from a horrid wrist injury to be productive in the playoffs. This should be a great season for him.

    32. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Cleveland Cavaliers: Z has been one of the most consistent low-post scorers in the game the past two seasons, with great hands and touch. But he's got to improve defensively and on the boards.

    33. Antawn Jamison, Washington Wizards: Acquiring Jamison was the move by Ernie Grunfeld that put the Wiz into the postseason, now we'll see if he can make the transition back to power forward with this summer's moves.


    Ron Artest is a top-10 talent, but his other issues knock him further down this list. (Steve Babineau / Getty Images)

    34. Ron Artest, Indiana Pacers: A top-10 talent, we'll see how Artest responds to a season in purgatory after his role in the infamous brawl in Detroit. If he's right and focused, the Pacers are a good bet to win the East.

    35. Mike Bibby, Sacramento Kings: Bibby isn't blessed with exceptional athleticism like so many other point guards, but he's so clever, a great shooter and his calm demeanor belies his competitive spirit.

    36. Zach Randolph, Portland Trail Blazers: He had a bad knee, serious surgery, and he still almost had another 20-and-10 season on a team that was completely turned over. Presumably, he'll be back to scoring and rebounding at will.

    37. Peja Stojakovic, Sacramento Kings: The rap was he didn't work last summer and lost his edge. One of the best pure shooters in the game, now that Webber's gone perhaps he'll regain his fire and become an All-Star again.

    38 Carlos Boozer, Utah Jazz: After shocking the world by blowing off the Cavaliers for big money, there were issues with coach Jerry Sloan. Then he got hurt and plenty of trade rumors followed. This season will prove a lot about who he is.

    39. Brad Miller, Sacramento Kings: As always, Miller proves to be better in all phases of the game than anyone wants to believe. Then he gets hurt late in the year and struggles down the stretch. The tendency has become an annual fact.

    40. Rashard Lewis, Seattle SuperSonics: Lewis was at the heart of the Sonics' early success, but he broke down physically as the season progressed and didn't play the final three games in the second round. It left questions for everybody.

    41. Stephon Marbury, New York Knicks: His claim to be the best point guard in the game last season proved he's still lost. With Larry Brown as his new coach, he may be moved to shooting guard. The disease of me still dominates his game.

    42. Tony Parker, San Antonio Spurs: Hard to believe he's still only 23, but his shaky confidence early and late in the season leaves questions about how good he can be. And yet, he's so quick on that floater, it's as if he's on skates.

    43. Lamar Odom, Los Angeles Lakers: Odom will be the barometer of how far the Lakers will go, as he takes over the point forward role in the triangle offense. He's an All-Star caliber player waiting to explode for new coach Phil Jackson.

    44. Kirk Hinrich, Chicago Bulls: A younger, more athletic version of Jeff Hornacek, he led the Bulls into the playoffs and continues to blossom as their floor leader and an excellent scorer going to the basket all the way out to 3-point range

    45. Carmelo Anthony, Denver Nuggets: He overcame the nightmare that was last summer and the start of last season to get back on track toward what was considered inevitable stardom. This is the season he should become a star.

    46. Chris Bosh, Toronto Raptors: Playing on that horrible team, which is in constant transition, is no easy task, but not only is Bosh and exceptional talent, he's exceedingly bright and clever. He'll be great for a long time.

    47. Joe Johnson, Atlanta Hawks: Acquired in the most publicized trade of the summer that caused an ownership change in Atlanta, Johnson is a brilliantly talented player, but now has to show he has leadership qualities too.

    48. Jason Richardson, Golden State Warriors: Running with Baron Davis lifted his game up to his naturally immense skills, even though he wasn't healthy. They are as explosive as any backcourt duo in the game.

    49. Pau Gasol, Memphis Grizzlies: He has yet to play up to expectations, not to mention the maximum contract he signed last summer. His superlative international finesse game has yet to translate into the NBA the way they hoped. Will it ever?

    50. Marcus Camby, Denver Nuggets: Once you get past how injury-prone he has been, consider he's averaged 9.5 points, 10.3 rebounds and 2.8 blocks as the one constant who has led the Nuggets into the playoffs the past two seasons.


    Also receiving consideration were:
    Kenyon Martin and Andre Miller, Denver Nuggets; Emeka Okafor, Charlotte Bobcats; Ben Gordon and Tyson Chandler, Chicago Bulls; Tayshaun Prince, Detroit Pistons; Corey Maggette, Los Angeles Clippers; Antoine Walker, Miami Heat; Jalen Rose, Toronto Raptors; Larry Hughes, Cleveland Cavaliers.

    Veteran NBA writer Mike Kahn is a frequent contributor to FOXSports.com.


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    What's everyone think? My Personal best 5 in no order:
    Bryant, T-Mac, Duncan, Garnett, LBJ.
    I could never do a top 50, too much work! But Wade over T-Mac??? Dude's lost it. I also don't think Artest should be so far down.
     
  2. steddinotayto

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    i'm a big Dwyane Wade fan but he is certainly not better than mcgrady
     
  3. BigM

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    wade is quickly becoming one of the most overrated players of all time.
     
  4. Easy

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    Wade is good, even great. But he might not even make top 10 on my list, let alone top 5.

    To me, 1-3 (Duncan, Shaq, KG) are a toss. I'd put TMac at #4 and Kobe at #5.

    The next 5 would be Iverson, James, Amare, Nash, Dirk, with no particular order.

    Wade together with Yao are somewhere between 11-15.
     
  5. apostolic3

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    My criterion is who would I choose for my team this coming season.

    Putting AI ahead of T-Mac is crazy. Anybody who would take AI over T-Mac for next year or the future beyond is out of their mind. Nuff said.

    I would take T-Mac over Wade because he is better in every phase of the game. However, after Wade's regular season and playoffs, it's hard to call him overrated. He had a great season and he carried the Heat on his back the first two rounds of the playoffs and would have led them to the Finals if he wasn't injured.

    Putting Jirk ahead of LeBron and Amare is also nutso. Who in their right mind would take Jirk before those two? Anybody?
     
  6. xomox

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    the really crazy part about that article is d. wade ahead of mcgrady. he is very talented but not playing smart yet a la steve francis. he's just the flavor of the year.
     
  7. The_Yoyo

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    surprised no one has yet to comment on the manu ahead of Yao rating.... maybe even the ray allen over yao. and i bet if you ask shaq if he would like to have wade or tmac at the sg he'll go with tmac
     
  8. gucci888

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    Bad list. TD is #1? Lebron at #9? That's a joke. Here's mine:

    1. Lebron James- 27/7/7 his sophomore season? What can he do w/ a supporting cast?

    2. Kevin Garnett- Can the Big Ticket get back into the playoffs?

    3. Tracy McGrady- No reason needed.

    4. Kobe Bryant- Back w/ Phil. See Kg.

    5. Shaq- Does the big fella still have more left in the tank?

    6. Yao- No reason needed.

    7. Amare Stoudamire- How will he perform w/o Q and JJ?

    8. Steve Nash- see above.

    9. AI- No reason needed, he'll do what he does best.

    10. Dwayne Wade- He's good.
     
  9. david_rocket

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    Thats a good point of view for yao.

    My top 3 in order

    Duncan, KG, Shaq,
     
  10. Drexlerfan22

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    Uhh... so Duncan's not in your top 10? :eek:
     
  11. stevel

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    I found it funny that they rated T-mac at 7 and mentioned him not being able to get his team out of the first round. I am sure that if we had beaten Dallas he would have been the first non-big man on the list. I am not sure what else he could have done in the Dallas series, maybe if he would have guarded Dirk, Stack, and Terry at the same time he would have gotten more respect. On the same note they have James rated at 9 and he hasn't even gotten his team to the post season yet.
     
  12. steddinotayto

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    These lists are funny because they're so vague and generalized. Lists will change depending on if you're:

    *listing players according to dominance
    *listing players according to who would be pick to build a team around
    *listing players purely on talent alone w/o a regard on team play skills
     
  13. david_rocket

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    I dont think Yao is above Iverson, and Duncan.

    yao is a top 15 player
     
  14. RocketForever

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    There are only three teams with two players in the top 15: Spurs, Heat and Rockets.

    There is a reason why most of the people rate them the three best teams in the league.

    Edit: OP...just found out the Suns has two players in the top 15 too. So 4 of the 30 teams together have 8 of the top 15 players in the league.
     
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    stupid, stupid list (referring to the original).
     
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    Agreed. Hell, I'd take Ben Wallace over AI at this point.
     
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    LeBron, Pierce and Marion were too low on the list.

    And Larry Hughes not being in the top 50 is rediculous.
     
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    Yao at 6?

    Right.
     
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    Lebron's only been in the league two years and T-Mac played on a better team.

    Not saying I agree completely with the logic, I think T-Mac should be the first guard on the list the way he played down the stretch but I would knock him more for not getting out of the first round than I would Lebron for not making the playoffs, given he's older and on a better team.
     
  20. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    T-Mac got to the playoffs with a much worse team in Orlando. Their age's shouldn't be an issue because it is a ranking of where they are now, not what their careers will end up being.
     

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