I agree an impeachemnt is not needed for an affair. Does tell me that Jeb isn't that great of person and probably someone who I wouldn't vote for (and I'm a republican). I hold people to both a professional and personal code of ethics and cheating on a spouse definetely crosses that line.
No, they shouldn't, and they should leave it alone. I don't give a rat's ass whether or not he's slept around on his wife (even though I think that's one of the worst things you can do). I just want him defeated because he's a conservative Republican and I'm not. ------------------ www.swirve.com "Pre-born, you're fine, pre-school, you're f*****."-George Carlin
They should subpoena him, and if he denies the affair, and it turns out to be true, then yes he should be impeached. And I'm glad it's not Katherine Harris either. The mere thought of those two together in the buff makes me want to join the priesthood...and I'm Jewish, for God's sake! ------------------ "Blues is a Healer" --John Lee Hooker
What basis do they have to subpoena him? Clinton was not testifying because of an alleged affair. If every politician who lied (while not under oath) was impeached, there would be few politicians (hmmmm, not such a bad idea). ------------------
Lol! But yeah, if he's subpoenaed and then lies to protect himself from the verdict of the courts, I'll definitely want him impeached. Now we just need someone to bring rape or sexual harrassment charges and we can get the ball rolling on this.... ------------------ RealGM Gafford Art Artisan Cakes
Let's just make sure not to jump to conclusions too quickly -- maybe it is just a false rumor. But it could be the other way -- let's wait until the facts are revealed before we make a judgement on the situation. ------------------ "Up and down, inside out, outside in, some you lose some you win" -- DMB -> "Sweet Up and Down"
I'm gonna assume that it's false until it's proven otherwise. I wish people would just stop this crap. ------------------ www.swirve.com "Pre-born, you're fine, pre-school, you're f*****."-George Carlin
Or, At Least It's A Former Bunny and Not Katherine Harris!!! Jeb Bush denies rumor of affair with appointee Associated Press TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Gov. Jeb Bush, facing published reports of infidelity with a political appointee as he considers a re-election campaign, today dismissed the rumor as an "outright lie." "I cannot tell you how hurtful this is," Bush said told reporters following a bill-signing ceremony. "I love my wife. There is nothing to this rumor. It is an outright lie." Bush, the younger brother of President George W. Bush, also said he plans to announce next month whether he will seek re-election in 2002. He said he will first discuss with his family the toll the job takes on his private life. For months, talk in Tallahassee bars and state offices and Internet Web pages linked the Republican governor with Cynthia Henderson, secretary of the Department of Management Services. On Thursday, a columnist for the Tallahassee Democrat reported about a rumor of an affair involving two high-ranking but unidentified public officials. Over the weekend, the St. Petersburg Times and the Orlando Sentinel wrote about rumors involving Bush and Henderson and said Bush had denied them. Bush's comments today were his first made publicly about the issue. "Lies were spread by gossip. Sadly, it's reached the point where it's being written about," Bush said. "But the fact you have to ask that question and I have to answer is sick, it really is." The governor, who has enjoyed strong public support since taking office in January 1999, at times sounded very much like a candidate. "Whatever the motivation is, it ain't going to work," Bush said. "I imagine that it's political in nature, I don't know. But it's ugly and it should stop." Henderson, who was among a group of agency heads at today's bill signing, left without answering questions. A Democratic Party spokesman, Tony Welch, declined to comment on the rumor: "Our focus is going to be beating Jeb Bush on the issues." Bush, 48, has been married to Columba Bush for 27 years. They have three children. Henderson, 40, met the governor in the 1980s through his brother Neil, who was on the board of directors of a land development company where she served as counsel. Henderson also served on the board of director's of Jeb Bush's think tank, the Foundation for Florida's Future. Bush appointed Henderson to head the Department of Business and Professional Regulation in January 1999. During her first year on the job, she faced questions about her ethics in running the agency on several occasions. Last September, Bush transferred Henderson to the Department of Management Services, a lower profile agency that oversees facilities, insurance and retirement programs for state employees. Bush said then that the criticism of Henderson was unjustified and had nothing to do with his decision. ------------------ The internet is about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas. - Futurama
If it is proven that the affair actually happened, then, yeah, he should have the same reprocussions. The fact that the Clinton affair happened isn't what bothered me. It was the fact that he held a national press conference to lie to the public. In my opinion, had he just let the rumors die, it would not have blown up in his face like it did. Just my thoughts. ------------------ "I never did like that "Dr. Stupid""-Monty Burns
Actually the impeachment came from the fact of lying under oath (perjury in the Paula Jones trial) - not having an affair or lying about it. ------------------
If he's committing perjury, you bet. I'm glad some of you guys realize that it was right to impeach Clinton--or at least that's what is implied in your statements. If you're saying Bush should be impeached, the implication is that it was right to impeach Clinton. If I'm not mistaken, that's a change of position for you guys. It's okay; it's better to learn the truth later than never at all. I do however think it's significant that Bush isn't under investigation for any illegal activity. There's no reason to question him under oath. And I really doubt that we want to start handing out subpoenas merely for the sake of luring someone into committing perjury. Do we? By the way, if Bush ever does commit perjury, he needs to be shown the door, whether it's Jeb or George. I don't care if it's "my guy" or not, that is unacceptable to me. I'm willing to apply it consistently. Are you guys? That's the only reason this whole issue was brought up, right? I'm sure you're not just whining; that would be ridiculous and childish. ------------------ The sky is falling! [This message has been edited by TraJ (edited May 16, 2001).]
Actually, I brought the thread up because I found it funny. I don't care if the screwed half of the state of Florida and told every court on the face of the planet he didn't. The point is that Clinton isn't unique. This happens to all kinds of people in power and no politician is immune. I will be very consistent in saying that I thought the Clinton inquiry was ridiculous and pure theater. This instance with Jeb Bush is no different and equally unimportant to me or anyone who believes that personal matters should remain personal. If you don't want the government in your lives, that should include your bedroom or someone else's bedroom as the case may be. Oh, and of course I was being ridiculous and childish. Those are two of my best qualities. ------------------ The internet is about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas. - Futurama
Traj: Have you ever cheated on your wife or girlfriend? If you had, would you admit it ANYWHERE knowing that you could easily end up in divorce court? What if you were famous and knew that admitting it meant smearing your family and name all over the television news for the next year or two of your life? What if it meant your reputation was as the philandering president? I don't think any of us can weigh the gravity of something like that. I don't like lying. In fact, it bugs the hell out of me. However, I think it is very easy for us to sit in judgement of Clinton or Bush or anyone else for things many of us have done ourselves. It has been reported that 60% of men and 40% of women have extramarrital affairs. I would be willing to bet that number is higher the more power the person has. I would also be willing to bet that VERY few of them told the truth about it to their spouses. Now, they may have eventually found out, but coming clean later doesn't count. We want to hold our elected officials to standards none of us could possibly handle. That is hypocracy and it is just plain ridiculous. ------------------ The internet is about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas. - Futurama
I don't know, I think the "Don't Commit Felonies" standard is pretty easy to live up to. I've managed to not commit any felonies myself. And I would hope that our elected officials would be able to avoid committing felonies, too. I may well expect someone to lie in their personal dealings, but once they swear an oath to tell the truth, I expect them to tell the truth. (That's not to say that I particularly cared about Clinton's stuff because I didn't care. It's hard for me to get worked up about anything like that any more. I'm just too cynical in my old age). ------------------ Houston Sports Board Film Dallas.com AntiBud.com
That's just plain garbage. What are you trying to say -- "everyone" cheats on their wife and are hypocrites for calling him out for it? "none of us could possibly handle"? I hope you're not comparing all of us to Clinton on a morality level. Some of us may not be perfect, but that same some live with higher standards than that. He's an elected official using his office to get some young intern on her knees. This isn't like the movie "The Contender" (which if you haven't seen this flick, you've missed nothing), about something that happened when the official was 19. He lied about it under oath, and the thing I take greater offense to -- he looked everyone in the eyes on national TV and said, "I want you to listen to me real good... I did not..." Even though people joke about what a liar Clinton was, I believed him then... I don't think I believed a single word he said since. Clinton may have had a lot of good traits, but honesty and trustworthiness certainly didn't apply, and I think the American public likes to know their elected officials have some character. I know you're looking for the first Republican to screw up in similar fashion, but has Jeb Bush done anything yet that we know of? ------------------ NOTHING BUT .NET CLUTCHCITY.NET
Monica was dying to get on her knees for Slick Willy. Willy didn't coerce her. Monica wasn't corrupted. First time Monica had a chance, she showed her panties. She chased him. Monica isn't some innocent young girl deflowered by some ogre. Republicans have already been guilty of marital infidelity. Newt Gingrich's divorce proceedings revealed a 6 year affair. Henry Hyde had a 4 year affair.
I expect our elected officials to uphold the law. If Clinton lied to Hillary about an affair, that's his business. If he lied under oath to a court, then it becomes my business since he was elected to represent me. I need to trust that elected official. I need to know that when he is asked a question UNDER OATH that he will tell the truth. I think we should all be able to handle the standard of telling the truth UNDER OATH. I do not consider that a "standard none of us could handle". Remember, also, most famous people CHOOSE to become famous, it is not thrust upon them. If an elected official cannot live up to higher expectations, he/she should choose not to run. ------------------
Jeff, I can honestly say that I've never cheated on my wife. And while I realize the danger in using the word "never" (it somehow seems to make people let their guard down in my estimation), I have no intention of doing so in the future. I think someone in Bill Clinton's position would be short-sighted to believe that his extracurricular activities could go unnoticed forever. Did he want to be known in history as the philandering president? I doubt it, although why would he care if it's purely his business and nothing is wrong with it? But maybe he should have thought a little more about being known as the perjuring president. Are you saying that anytime we don't want to face up to the consequences of choices that we've made, it's perfectly fine to deny it, even to the point of committing perjury? What other felonies are acceptable in a cover up? Is it acceptable to erase select parts of taped conversations that might be used as evidence? ------------------ The sky is falling!
I still don't understand how consensual sex has anything to do with sexual harassment. Did Kenneth Starr ask about the one time Bill had sex with Hillary? ------------------ www.swirve.com "Pre-born, you're fine, pre-school, you're f*****."-George Carlin
