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Judge Rules Reciting Pledge in Public School is Unconstitutional

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MadMax, Sep 14, 2005.

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  1. Ottomaton

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    This displays a remarkable lack of understanding of the role of case law as precident which is a legal concept predating the United States, and inherently stated from the first meeting of the Supreme Court.
     
    #61 Ottomaton, Sep 16, 2005
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    Sorry man it is not better for Christians to get rid of it. I am not worried about what others think is best. If you believe, how do you answer to GOD that you voted\suggested or whatever to take HIS name out of the pledge. As a Christian I can never in my heart suggest HIS name should be taken off of anything. If you dont believe I understand why you would feel the way that you do, however if you do believe, I dont want to be you when your time comes.... :(
     
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  3. Ottomaton

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    John 8:6-9
    I'm not sure what Bible you're reading, but apparently it's not the one I have.

    :confused:
     
    #63 Ottomaton, Sep 16, 2005
  4. u851662

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    Good response and I feel you for the most part. I agree with the seperation of Church and State, as hypocritical as it sounds. However, still I believe the 10 commandments is the foundation to having and keeping a great nation. I do not believe in pushing religion on others but I dont see anything wrong with GOD being in our pledge. Because technically the pledge does not say "WHICH" God it is refering to, so whatever God one feels is his God can be it. And if you do not believe, you shouldnt be forced to say the pledge. However it should stay as it is as I have right to and am happy with my pledge. Your response really is great and it seems that you know the Bible pretty well (thumbs up to you)... :)
     
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  5. u851662

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    I think you are taking what I am saying too technical/literal. Your interpretation of it could be different than mine. Also I am not the one to throw stones cause GOD knows I live in a glass house. Just stating what I believe. Like I said before you dont have to. :)
     
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  6. MartianMan

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    I don't believe you understand the argument.

    You'd think Christians have better things to do such as enlightening their hearts and minds and helping other instead of arguing about laws on pledges, displaying the ten commandments on government property, and state-led prayer in schools.
     
    #66 MartianMan, Sep 16, 2005
  7. Rocket River

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    In our country . . . Christianity is like English
    English isn't the Official Language but. . .. .

    Rocket River
     
    #67 Rocket River, Sep 16, 2005
  8. Rocket River

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    For the Record:

    WHAT Constitutes a Religion?
    What makes one man's religion . .another man's Cult?

    Rocket River
     
    #68 Rocket River, Sep 16, 2005
  9. MadMax

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    these things have become idols, as best I can tell. many christians have begun worrying more about these outward symbols than they do their own hearts...their own discipleship to Christ. when Jesus told the leaders of the day that the temple would be destroyed they were appalled. couldn't believe he would speak such heresy. but he talked about a new temple...that he was that temple...and that is was primarily centered in the hearts of men. not some physical building or monument.
     
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    However, still I believe the 10 commandments is the foundation to having and keeping a great nation.

    Thou shall not covet. Coveting is the underpinning of a capatilist market.

    Carry on.
     
    #70 No Worries, Sep 16, 2005
  11. MR. MEOWGI

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    God is a big pile of poo. Want to take HIS name out of that?
     
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    "Hallowed be thy name." - Jesus Christ (Matthew 6:9)
     
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  13. MR. MEOWGI

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    What's his name?
     
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    What are u trying to say :mad:
     
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    ;););)
     
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    I was referring to the idea that you can't take god's name, which I guess is "god" (even though I like to call him "Arnie") out of anything.

    Poo is good btw. Without it we could not live. Perceptions, perceptions...

    Also, "Hallowed be thy name" does not refer to the name. It's the thing itself.
     
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  17. MadMax

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    i understand what you're saying, but i'm not so sure. remember, of course, that Jesus was Jewish. they believed God's name was so sacred that it could not/should not be spoken out loud.
     
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  18. MR. MEOWGI

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    OK but "Hallowed be thy name" still has nothing to do with the "name". It is a figure of speech (forgot the term, "palindrome" comes to mind but that aint it :D ). It much more than that and refers to the thing itself.

    And if the name is so sacred, why would you say it in a pledge or put it on money?
     
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    A man, a plan, a canal, Panama!
     
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  20. MadMax

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    actually the Hebrew "name" for God was Yahweh. which was a name. not just merely God.

    but there is a degree of emptying of a "thing" when you disregard its name. when you disrespect its name.
     
    #80 MadMax, Sep 16, 2005
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