http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_270918.html Do you think, as an American citizen, that it is okay to show X-Rated shows on AirForce One? I am not attacking Clinton here. I am just surprised that shows like that would be shown on the President's plane at ANYTIME.
Excerpt from article: Reporters flying with the US president have noted he has cut any offensive material from the films. They say Bill Clinton always ran the uncut versions of X-rated Hollywood blockbusters during flights. What is an X-rated Hollywood blockbuster?
Showgirls was NOT a blockbuster. Midnight Cowboy was X-rated... Any others? [This message has been edited by jamcracker (edited April 24, 2001).]
Showgirls? It's kind of like an x-rated blockbuster, except that it's not x-rated, nor is it a blockbuster. ------ [This message has been edited by Band Geek Mobster (edited April 24, 2001).]
Showgirls couldn't have been Rated X because the X rating had already been replaced by NC17 by the time Showgirls came out (and it was rated NC17, though there may be an R-rated cut, too). And as for the question of whether such films should or should not be shown on Air Force One, I'll worry about it when I am invited to fly on Air Force One. Until then, I don't particularly care. (From the article, I got the impression that they were going to be excising sex and violence from even non-X or NC17 films). ------------------ Houston Sports Board Film Dallas.com [This message has been edited by mrpaige (edited April 24, 2001).]
I don't find anything wrong with people watching them, so why should I care whether the president does or where he does it? ------------------ And then, depression set in...
"George W Bush has ordered that X-rated sex and violence be cut from in-flight movies on Air Force One. Sounds to me like he's cutting "X-rated sex and violence", as opposed to "sex and violence" or "R-rated sex and violence" or "PG-13-rated sex and violence". Who's paying for this anyway? We, the taxpayers, are gonna pay somebody to screen W's films and cut out the sex and violence?!?
Well, it wouldn't be hard to cut out all the "X-rated sex and violence" from a movie. Just don't show X-Rated movies. It's not like there are that many of them available to show (and no new ones). Studios almost always simply cut the film to get the R-rating when they are faced with an NC17. Most theaters won't show NC17 movies. And many of the big video chains won't buy NC17 or Unrated films, either. Blockbuster, for example, won't buy anything above an R. I suspect that they're talking about what they would consider to be "X-rated sex and violence" in non-X-rated movies. (I can't believe that Mr. Clinton spent a lot of time showing movies like Midnight Cowboy. There are very few non-p*rn films that have an X-rating. And none in about ten years). ------------------ Houston Sports Board Film Dallas.com [This message has been edited by mrpaige (edited April 24, 2001).]
Helen Mirren is known for having done films on the edge. http://www.auschron.com/film/pages/movies/11520.html http://www.auschron.com/film/pages/movies/8634.html Mango ------------------ Get it right or just don't do it! Resistance is futile....you will be assimilated.
And neither is X-rated. (The Cook, The Thief, His Wife and Her Lover was actually the film that caused the MPAA to change from X to NC17, IIRC. They realized the X-rating had become to thought of in relation to p*rn and decided to come up with a new rating). ------------------ Houston Sports Board Film Dallas.com
Perhaps it means that Clinton would show literally, X-Rated blockbusters -- Debbie Does Dallas, etc. If Clinton was airing x-rated films in his private quarters of Air Force One, or the residence of the White House, that's up to him. Those areas have been defined as his personal space. However, when he airs them in the general areas -- such as the press areas -- that is a problem. People do work in those areas, and many of them could find the material offensive. On Air Force One it's even worse, since there's no place to go if reporters don't want to watch it. If he's doing briefings during the movie -- that's a big problem. He's forcing staff / reporters to work in that environment. The bad part is that HE defined this type of situation in the sexual harrassment laws, which he strongly supported. It's called a hostile work environment, and is against the law. You can't have potentially offensive material in the workplace. People have been fired for having p*rnography in private e-mails, and he was showing it on the plane. Of course those same sexual harrassment laws had a few other clauses -- like you can't hire or promote people for sex, and a 'boss' can't have sex with a subordinate, regardless of consent. Of course, that's a whole other thread. ------------------ Stay Cool...
I find it ironic and almost unbelieable that people care more about Kelvin Cato's ethic than former president Clinton's. Many of you actually seem to expect and demand more from a basketball player than from a man who held the highest office in the land. ------------------ Time is a great teacher-- only problem is it kills all its pupils. PowerbizOnline.com [This message has been edited by RichRocket (edited April 25, 2001).]
I could CARE LESS about Cato's personal ethics or morals. If the guy watches porno 24/7 and worships the devil, that's up to him. I do care about his WORK ETHIC and how it effects his performance on the floor. Actually, Cato seems like a pretty decent guy. He writes childrens' books and is generous to charity, but that doesn't make him a great player. I had no problem with Clinton's job performance. I liked many of his policies and agreed with far more of them than Bush as an example. So, IMO, I could not care less what the guy did with his personal life. ------------------ And then, depression set in...
I hate Clinton more than most people, but I don't see a problem here. In fact, I'm disappointed that Bush (of whom I am no great admirer, mind you) is watching censored movies. How is he supposed to know what's happening in the country, if he's censoring for himself what everybody else is seeing? As for showing the movies while talking with reporters, that just seems like bad etiquette. Don't show any movies at all when you're talking to people. Stop the movie, do your interviews, pop some popcorn and have everyone sit quietly and enjoy the movie. Subjecting reporters (especially female) to the movies might be construed as sexual harrassment, but obviously it has not been or we would have heard about it. No suits have been brought. No harm no foul. ------------------ RealGM Gafford Art Artisan Cakes
Didn't the people behind Caligula decide to go unrated than get the dreaded "X"? Mango ------------------ Get it right or just don't do it! Resistance is futile....you will be assimilated.
