That's an excellent point. I remember Jim Rome (of ALL people) say once about the Redskins, Indians and Braves, "How do you know it is or isn't offensive if you aren't Native American? If they say it is offensive, then it is offensive." It is about respect more than ideology. ------------------ And then, depression set in...
That flag makes me uncomfortable, and I don't understand why people want to keep the thing. I know that people say that the Stars and Stripes had slavery forever, and Confederate flag something liek 3 or for years, but what they forget to mention is that the Stars and Stripes decided to end slavery, while the Confederate flag fought for it and divided a country. Not saying that the American flag is all right, and the Confederate flag is all wrong, but when the last thing the Confederate flag represents is going to war to keep slavery, then that is my problem. ------------------ See the three, be the three.
Yeah, Jeff, I agree-- I think the defenders of the flag are actually missing the point. Whether you have the right or not to do something is not at issue. The First Amendment protects unpopular and offensive speech. The issue is whether or not you should do something that's going to offend so many good Americans. It's hurtful to a LOT of people. It would be in good taste to change the flag and relegate Confederate battle symbols to the museum, where I think they belong. ------------------ BK: "Hey coach, great season. Thanks!" Rudy: "Thanks guys, appreciate the support." This really happened.
Brian- Why do you think we are even talking about this if the concept alone is offensive enough? Obviously, it isn't. Analogies serve good purposes when taken in context. I find that many more Americans are more very horrified by the Holocaust yet treat slavery as if..."Of course it was wrong, but I dont want to think about it enough to be horrified." ------------------ Haha.. you fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders. The most famous is: Never get involved in a land war in Asia. Only slightly less well know is this: Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
I believe the Confederate Flag is OK on a person to person basis. If a person wants to wear a shirt or have a license plate with the flag on it, who am I to tell them it's wrong. However, I disagree when a Confederate flag shown on public or government property since it does offend, not a majority of people in most cases, but a large segment of people who are black, white, brown, yellow, etc. ------------------ Arkansas' Biggest Rocket Fan!
Does the Stars and Bars stand for Southern pride or Racism? Both! And you can't have one without the other so you might as well get rid of the flag . ------------------ Vice President of Executive Operations of the Sean Colson Fan Club http://bbs.babitze.com
Doen this mean all Southerners who have pride in their heritage are racist? And if so, it seems to me that the best solution is to get rid of Southerners. ------------------ "Of course, thats just my opinion, I could be wrong" -- Dennis Miller [This message has been edited by Hydra (edited April 20, 2001).]
I'm suprised to find so many pro-slavery people here. 400 ------------------ C-son --------------------- Dream on
Man, I ignore too many threads. This past fall, I was in GA. when my project manager from Trilogy came out to introduce me. We had a hilarious exchange as we left the client's building: me: so I guess it's either Chili's or Chili's tonight (I notice he's dropping back in a suprised fashion...) him: is that, is that the ****ing confederate flag? me: oh, no... that's GA's flag, it just incorporates the confederate flag into it. him: holy ****. That's pretty ******* offensive. me: welcome to the Southeast, where Baptists go to different churches based on skin color. LOL. ohh... the ****ing South. What I wouldn't do to have Charleston, or McClellanville all to myself w/o all of the ****ing racists. At least Charleston has the right idea, everyone ends up w/ STDs... but at least everyone interacts. Brian, I have to agree w/ JayZ. Aside from all of the logical principals associated w/ choosing extreme examples and counterexamples to make a point... the simple fact is that the swastika argument applied is very effective in taking people out of their defensive realm (vested interest) into their compassionate realm (which is obviously elicited by non retired LAPD Idaho residents when discussing the holocaust). Even my grandmother, who wanted to value her state's slaveholder heritage (she didn't see it that way of course) was more sympathetic to the flag issue when I disarmed her by ceasing to insult her ancestors and instead making the NAZI comparison. I agree though that this is pretty insignificant in the grander scheme of white/black interaction. Too bad that we don't have enough nationalism to rise above our internal differences. I blame it on videogames, myself. Not enough kids out playing soccer and basketball like in France. ------------------ women love me, fish fear me.
I'm out of this one. People who are anit-flag will never see it my way and people who are pro-flag will never see it entirely your way. This is truly an "agree to disagree" situation. To me, that flag represents Dukes of Hazzard values like Southern pride, Southern heritage, being friendly, etc. Many of my ancestors fought for the South (and the North), and none of them ever owned slaves. What the flag means to me and what it means to others is entirely different. I made all of my points in the SC flag thread, which I posted a link to above. I still love Texas, Dixie. and the Confederate flag, and I am not a racist, and I'm certainly not pro-slavery. ------------------ "I have no regrets except that I wasn't up to keep Randy from getting on that plane." --Ozzy Osbourne on guitarist Randy Rhodes
And if so, it seems to me that the best solution is to get rid of Southerners. Which is exactly what the South was trying to do in the first place in the Civil War. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
