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Damon visits Toyota Center today

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Faos, Jul 18, 2005.

  1. apostolic3

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    Why would the Blazers do this? They don't want Ward any more than we do.
     
  2. micah1j

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    He only has 1 year left and it is a small contract. For the second rounder obviously.

    I still prefer AD. James + Ward for AD. AD has only received 1 5-year offer. Spurs & Lakers have offered 3-year deals.
     
  3. AroundTheWorld

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    I think this is both not correct. He is 31 and should have at least 3 or 4 good years left in him, maybe more. The last two years, despite playing with other good point guards on the roster (van Exel, up-and-coming Telfair), he put up some of the best stats since he came to Portland. Good 3-point shooter, great ft shooter and decent ast/to ratio. I'd still want him if he comes for little money.
     
  4. Chilly_Pete

    Chilly_Pete Member

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    15.8 PPG and 5.7 APG sound pretty productive to me. Granted he was on a bad team last year, but he would be the best offensive guard in our backcourt if we were to get him.
     
  5. topfive

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    Since we'll hopefully have more leads late in the 4th quarter this year, it would be great to have a PG like Mouse in the game -- 3-1 A/TO ratio, great FT shooter (over 90% -- 4th in the league last year).
     
  6. aries323

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    Like Stromile, I really think that Miles has a chance to turn things around. He is a good Defensive player, but he cant shoot worth a crap.

    DM is obviously a great choice, a vet, a good shooter, quick, can play with the Nash and Terry`s.

    DA is intriguing, he used to be able to handle the rock and shoot, suspect D but I know he had a little bit of an offensive game, now if he can contribute with his handling skills and his height, he might be a good fit.

    Lets get Damon and man we`re sitting pretty starting the season next year.

    Yao / Deke / Badiane / Baker
    SS / JH / Baxter / Baker / Weatherspoon
    TMac / Sura / Barry / Glover
    Wesley / Sura / Barry / Head / Glover
    (DS) / James / Moochie / Ward / Head

    Dang, we have A LOT of 1-2, somethings gotta give, its really heavy at the bottom.

    We need to get rid of

    1. Baker
    2. Moochie
    3. Ward
    4. Weatherspoon
    5. Sura... or Wesley...
     
  7. tslee98

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    Finley won't join the Rockets. It makes more sense for him to return to Phoenix. He fits well into that style of play.

    But in terms of the timing issue, Finley will be cut sooner rather than later. The Mavericks have said as much. And it's a much classier move to cut a player as soon as possible under the one-time amnesty provision in the new CBA rather than wait until October 1st. It would give Finley (or any other player) the best shot at finding the right opportunity with another team if he is let go at the beginning of the free agent signing period while teams are still planning and trying to settle on their rosters. The Mavericks owe it to Finley to do that for him.
     
  8. Davidoff

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    I agree that it's the "nice" thing to do, but also I feel like they dont own him much if they have to cut the man a check with 7 zeros in it and get nothing back other than tax money..
     
  9. LFE171

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    They owe him that, yes, but are they classy enough to do that? HELL NO. Roxgirl was talking bout loyalty between fans and players. But loyalty between management and players is something cuban does not have with his "ponies"

    [​IMG]

    Haha I've posted this picture 3 times already, and I don't mind doing it again.

    I can't wait for us to play the ponies again. Another dunk, this time on Nowitzki from Swift. :D
     
  10. Jacquescas

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    now here is a little more thought into the ward for damon trade.

    First you work a buyout with Ward, probably wont be that cheap prolly most of the money. Then you add that money, and possibly other cash considerations up to 3 million in the trade to cover the buyout and help cover the cost of the second rounder we are sending.

    Maybe then The blazers would be willing to swing the Deal. They dont keep ward who gets bought out with the money we give them, and they get a late second round pick for a player who was leaving and maybe a little extra cash on the side.
     
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    Miles is good from midrange from the elbow down to the baseline, probably a lot of where he would play with us on offense. He has good post up ability. Or we can take him outside and let him dive to the bucket for dunks, or the stop and pop 16 footer. I think he can be very effective and has shown the ability to put the ball on the floor in the half court. He is still relatively raw but still has tremendous upside potential even though his off court antics are less than desired.
     
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    No way we will be better with Sura starting at the 2. He's too slow to guard SG's, and too small for most SF's. Once again, the whole point of the Jackson+Boki/Wesley trade was to get a better defender next to Tracy. The best role for Sura on this team is backup PG, with very limited minutes at SG...he's good enough to start, but not durable enough.

    I think there is a pretty solid chance of getting Damon at the LLE. He's been paid before, and he seems ready to win now. I think the Rockets are hard to pass up right now. If he did want more money, I think we could spare Mike James and a filler in a sign-and-trade...the only way I see Wesley getting dealt for Stoudamire is if we get a starting SG in return...Portland really doesn't have anyone that can help us too much there, and that includes Derek Anderson (no better than Wesley), and I really don't think we have what it takes to get Miles. I wouldn't mind having Ruben Patterson to backup SF though.

    For right now I say we just try to get Damon, then start the season with what we've got and make a deal to upgrade the SG spot later.
     
  13. ROXTXIA

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    1. Damon Stoudamire, Mike James, Luther Head
    2. Bob Sura, David Wesley, Jon Barry
    3. T-Mac, ???
    4. Stromile Swift, Juwan Howard, Weatherspoon
    5. Yao, Deke, Baker

    Yep, something's gotta give here. It seems clear enough that we're not done, but it's tough to say what will happen; Damon Stoudamire will likely want more money than we can offer outside of a sign-and-trade. And Portland doesn't want to add payroll (go figure, it never bothered them before), so the only way it would behoove them to go the s-&-t route is to dump Darius Miles.

    Darius Miles would be a nice addition, I suppose, but his attitude and pay scale might make Les blanch.

    Obviously we're targeting Damon and hoping to get him for a discount; will lightning strike twice? If we offer the LLE, has Damon saved up enough money from the Portland days to keep the ganja market going strong in Houston?

    Gerald Wallace is the guy we need. Since Charlotte needs to spend some money on some players (you have to pay out a minimum on the salary cap), maybe expiring contracts and a first rounder with Wallace making $5 million to start out. THAT would be a team:

    Guards and small forwards:
    Tracy McGrady, Damon Stoudamire, Gerald Wallace, Mike James, Bob Sura, Luther Head

    Power forwards and centers:
    Yao Ming, Stromile Swift, Juwan Howard, Dikembe Mutombo
     
  14. Dirk_Diggler

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    Mighty Mouse is good ... Just don't see where his skills are all that much better than a full time Mike James

    Keep in mind, DS averaged 34.6 min/game whereas James was at 25.6 ... Almost 10 minutes difference

    DS MJ

    Ast/G 5.7 2.9
    STL 1.1 .9
    TO 2.0 1.0
    FG % 39 43
    3PT % 37 40
    FT % 92 76
    REB 3.8 3.2

    James' %-ages are better (With the exception of FT) ... The rest is a wash with more PT for James

    Stats are from dougstats.com
     
  15. Little O

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    I think the difference is the assists, which are still less even if you prorate it, and better free throw percentage, which doesn't change no matter how much time you play.

    I think the attraction with Damon is his superior PG skills.
     
  16. New Jack

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    Stoudamire is a much better floor leader than James. I can't get over the image of Mcgrady waving off James in the playoffs. It's obvious Mcgrady doesn't trust him to run the offense well in the crucial moments of a game. I'm pretty sure we'll never see Mcgrady waving off Stoudamire.
     
  17. zaam

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    I like MJ a lot and I think he has the offense to change a game now and then, but when have you actually seen him run the offense? As a point guard he frustrates the hell out of me. He seems like another short 2 guard to me. Damon has shown the ability to create shots for other people in addition to getting his own. His court vision is waay better than MJ's IMO.
     
  18. apostolic3

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    Exactly. Stoudamire can actually run an offense. James never has and never will, which is why he is ideally suited to be a 6th or 7th man instead of a starter.
     
  19. Dirk_Diggler

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    OK ... Points duly noted ... But is it worth giving up the $$$ to get DS and the PT he would be taking away from MJ?
     
  20. IROC it

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    So is the Mouse in the House or what? Update anyone?
     

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