That's fine. I understand everyone's intent. I'm not a fan of Pat or Jerry either. But, it was looking like some folks could use a warning about careless language before another form of bigotry got loose. We don't know the folks in his audience, nor do they seem to have a representative here to defend them. I'm guessing though that they mostly have entire brains, and that -- while they may defer to authorities such as the folks on 700 Club -- they do actually think for themselves as much as anyone. We just can't understand why this group would conclude the things they seem to conclude.
What?!?!?!? This kind of hatred, bigotry and untruths are the reason the world is in the shape it is in right now! GOD DAMNED BASTARDS!!! In fact, that's it! I RENOUNCE MY RELIGION!
not saying i agree with what they said but when i was studying nigeria it was pretty clear the worst perpetrators (sp?) of the religious violence were muslims. in nigeria it seems like violence is amplified but the muslims were the people who committed some horrible atrocities. just throwing that in there for debate.
That is not the point of the thread I am assuming. I guess what EddieWasSnubbed was pointing to is that he was offended by the fact that such hateful rhetoric would be allowed on the airwaves. My response is that I am surprised he was surprised, since the 700 Club and Pat Robertson have been around forever. I pointed to him that there are more tolerant voices on TV like Jack Van Impe among others. The sad thing is that such trash is being said on our airwaves all the time, even during morning/afternoon hours for all to hear; try to listen to Limbaugh on radio some time, or that old man Paul Harvey and some of the things he said, of "Imus in the Morning" and some of the comments made on his show, and on and on and on. Islamophobia is pretty popular among many in America today, especially among conservative circles and mainly the "religious right" as they are sometimes called. It is just a fact of life in America now, anti-Islamic and anti-Muslim rhetoric is quiet popular and is usually tolerated. You tend to hear the usual racist refrence of an "Arab and his camel" and other things being said to demean Middle Easterners. The problem is that people tolerate it, while it's unimaginable that anyone would tolerate a "nig**r" or other demeaning reference to Blacks and Hispanics by any host of any show. My whole theory on this though is that bigots and racists have always existed, they have just realized that it was now too risky to pick on Blacks and Hispanics or Asians, so might as well pick on the new flavor of the day, and they have been lurking around waiting for a chance to pick on the next group. Who happens to fit the bill now? Muslims and Arabs.
To play the devil's advocate, Pat is preaching to a group the believes Muslims to be heathens. It's no different than the preachers in the middle east saying how bad Christians are. They are one in the same. They are just polar opposites.
Agreed. Ignorance, hypocrisy, and intolerance are well-entrenched on both sides, and I am telling you this from my experience of living in both worlds.
Pretty interesting article on what Muslims around the world think of suicide bombings and Osama bin Laden. Apparently there are still a lot of people out there that support these kinds of barbaric acts. WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Support for Osama bin Laden and suicide bombings have fallen sharply in much of the Muslim world, according to a multicountry poll released on Thursday. ADVERTISEMENT The survey by the Pew Research Center examined public opinion in six predominantly Muslim nations: Morocco, Pakistan, Turkey, Indonesia, Jordan and Lebanon. It also examined views in nine North American and European countries as well as in India and China. In all, more than 17,000 people were questioned either by telephone of face-to-face. "There's declining support for terrorism in the Muslim countries and support for Osama bin Laden is declining. There's also less support for suicide bombings," said Pew Center director Andrew Kohut. "This is good news, but still there are substantial numbers who support bin Laden in some of these countries," he told a news conference. In Morocco, 26 percent of the public now say they have a lot or some confidence in bin Laden, down from 49 percent in a similar poll two years ago. In Lebanon, where both Muslims and Christians took part in the survey, only 2 percent expressed some confidence in the Saudi-born al Qaeda leader, down from 14 percent in 2003. In Turkey, bin Laden's support has fallen to 7 percent from 15 percent in the past two years. In Indonesia, it has dropped to 35 percent from 58 percent. However, in Jordan, confidence in bin Laden, who took responsibility for the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on the United States and many other attacks, rose to 60 percent from 55 percent. In Pakistan, it went to 51 percent from 45 percent. A similar picture emerged when respondents were asked whether suicide bombings were justifiable. In Morocco, 13 percent said they often or sometimes could be justified, down from 40 percent in 2004. MORE JORDANIANS SUPPORT BOMBINGS In Indonesia, 15 percent expressed that view, down from 27 percent in the summer of 2002. Support for suicide bombings also fell in Pakistan and dropped dramatically in Lebanon. However, support rose in Jordan, to 57 percent from 43 percent in 2002. Kohut noted there had been devastating attacks on civilians in Indonesia, Morocco and Turkey in recent years and a rash of assassinations and bombings recently in Lebanon. Both in western countries and the Muslim world, respondents expressed fears about Islamic extremism. Seventy-three percent in Morocco and 52 percent in Pakistan saw Islamic extremism as a threat to their country. The figure was 84 percent in Russia, 78 percent in Germany, and an identical 70 percent in Britain and the United States. The poll was taken well before last week's bombings in London. When asked what caused Islamic extremism, 40 percent in Lebanon and 38 percent in Jordan blamed U.S. policies and influence; in Morocco, Pakistan and Turkey, respondents were more likely to blame poverty, unemployment or poor education. Despite terrorism fears, majorities in Britain, the United States, France, Canada and Russia and pluralities in Spain and Poland expressed favorable views about Muslims. But in Germany and the Netherlands, opinion swung to an unfavorable view. Fifty-one percent of those surveyed in the Netherlands expressed an unfavorable view of Muslims. In Germany, 47 percent were unfavorable, compared with 40 percent who expressed favorable views. Anti-Jewish sentiment was overwhelming in the Muslim countries. In Lebanon, 100 percent of Muslims and 99 percent of Christians said they had a very unfavorable view of Jews, while 99 percent of Jordanians also viewed Jews very unfavorably.
the U.S has bombed a lot of nations(as well as supported brutal leaders who were not supported by their societies ...thus becoming too powerful to remove) so one extreme leads to another extreme...and that is why we have terrorism....a shame really....for every action there is an opposite reaction. one day we may live in peace....though that day is far away.
You forgot Armageddon, and judging by what I hear all the time from Televangelists, the world will only get less and less stable, there will be more terrorism and fear will prevade the world, then there will be a nuclear holocaust and a third of all humanity will be wiped out, and the Four Horsemen of Apocalypse, etc, shall follow (or I think war is part of the 4 Horsemen of Apocalypse). You should read about the Book of Revelation, it's pretty interesting. Oh, forgot to say, the moral of the story is there will never be lasting peace on earth until Jesus Christ establishes his kingdom on earth, and rules for a thousand years. So yes, you are right, eventually we will all live in peace.