anyone that wants to attempt to crack the encryption on my network(which is very possible) is gonna show up on my network sniffer...and they may find themselves being accessed instead... Wise man say it not smart to hack a network admins network.. (especially one that immersed himself in the blackhat community for a time for training purposes) seriously....even tho it wont happen to me...it is still unethical to leech someone else's resources...I cant say I wouldnt do what you are doing if I was in your shoes...Im so addicted to the net that when I go on vacation...I have to stay somewhere that has high speed internet...dont even suggest I go camping...not unless Im in range of a WAP.
I see no problem with it. About a month before I moved from my last apartment my phone service was shut off and I used a neighbor's wireless connection for access to the internet. I did make sure not to do anything that was too bandwidth intensive while using it. I think the easiest way to solve the problem of if it's ok or not would be for them to add a way to make a comment for the connection. That way whoever sets it up could say if it was ok for others to use it or not without having to encrypt it. The best you can do now is change the SSID to something, so if you see a networked name "LEECH" you could assume it was ok to use it.
Yeah - MAC filtering is the way to go. If you don't like the slowdown of encryption (which I don't notice), use MAC filtering at least. Secondly, the name of my hot spot is my email address. That way, someone can email me if they want to use it or have any questions. The ideal situation would be to split the cost with a neighbor =) Third - you can't assume ppl KNOW how to turn on WEP. Let's be honest, most computer users don't know a thing about encryption.
MAC Filtering is easy...you dont have to mess with it unless you bring a new device onto your network.. I dont notice the socalled encryption slowdown...and mine is set for 128bit...I would make it tougher...but that is the highest my WAP has.. I dont bother with that...Im greedy for every extra bit of bandwidth I have..not that there is anyone close enough to me to use it anyway...my wireless signal barely makes it out to the street(i checked already) I do rename my SSID...but the name means nothing to anyon but me.
i think it's stealing. but, i have a question for all of those who also think it's stealing. Do you download mp3s or movies from a P2P network with your Wi Fi connection? b/c if you do, that's stealing too. so you have no right to criticize people for stealing a connection.
From the Texas Penal Code (http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/statutes/docs/PE/content/htm/pe.007.00.000031.00.htm#31.01.00): (7) "Steal" means to acquire property or service by theft. § 31.03. THEFT. (a) A person commits an offense if he unlawfully appropriates property with intent to deprive the owner of property. (b) Appropriation of property is unlawful if: (1) it is without the owner's effective consent; (2) the property is stolen and the actor appropriates the property knowing it was stolen by another; or (3) property in the custody of any law enforcement agency was explicitly represented by any law enforcement agent to the actor as being stolen and the actor appropriates the property believing it was stolen by another. Definition of "Property": (5) "Property" means: (A) real property; (B) tangible or intangible personal property including anything severed from land; or (C) a document, including money, that represents or embodies anything of value. Definition of "Service": (6) "Service" includes: (A) labor and professional service; (B) telecommunication, public utility, or transportation service; Because one can't control what they hear, unless they can somehow disable their ears. One can control networks that their computers connect to. Again, according to the Texas Penal Code: § 31.03. THEFT. (a) A person commits an offense if he unlawfully appropriates property with intent to deprive the owner of property. (b) Appropriation of property is unlawful if: (1) it is without the owner's effective consent;
I'm definitely guilty of it and like someone else said, if done in moderation it may be unethical at the most. I dont want anyone leeching my stuff so I do not broadcast the SSID, use WEP, and MAC Filtering. If someone can break through all of that, which I'm sure someone can, then more power to them. I feel that if you are savvy enough to want wireless, you should educate yourself on security. There is info everywhere on how to use security on WAP's if you just look for it. At the least ask someone that knows to help you set it up. I've done it a couple of times for my friends.
I've never secured my wireless internet connection. In fact my ssid has always been my first name, and my neighbors at my last apartment knew that. I think when people know whose internet they're borrowing, they're less apt to do illegal stuff or try to cause trouble. I've never had any problems in 3+ years. I don't care if people borrow my connection.
so, if you split your neighbors cable, and have cable in your house for free, thats not stealing? you're not preventing the homeowner from the possession of the cable signal...you are, however, taking a service from the cable company which they charge for. Your ISP considers it stealing, as you are accessing a service you didn't pay for.
Hey! I just noticed someone is stealing my wi-fi!!! Oh, it's just Faos going to www. donkeys have feelings too . com again. No problem. I will just let my logging-then-spamming programming send him a nice message. Seriously, though, don't you log EVERYTHING that goes through your router? If you do nothing wrong, then fear nothing... el que nada debe nada teme... one who does no wrong, fears nothing... Hey, Beck, so why do ISPs let me split my HOME ISP connection to let another pc at my house get Internet access? I am thinking it's because I am in control of it? Wouldn't that go against the point you make of not telling them I am using another connection?
And how do I have the intent to deprive the "owner" of the access point of anything if I use his access point? I assume he doesn't mind, because if he did, he could just use WEP. As in bigtexxx' example, many people leave their access points open on purpose or because they don't care. If I access your unsecured access point, what are you being deprived of? A tiny bit of bandwidth, if anything. Does that justify criminal prosecution? I don't think so. (Oh, and the lawyer who drew up that penal code is guilty of bad wording/stretching a legal term beyond its original definition. I know there are "theft of service" laws, but those should at least have been named differently.) What difference is that supposed to make with regards to the (implied) consent of the owner of the access point, which is what is relevant? In both cases, the owner sends out some kind of "waves" which he knows or should be able to know can be received/used by a third party. In both cases, the owner can easily prevent access to the "waves" by the third party.
I'm with codell on this one. For those who think leeching isn't stealing probably are of the mind set that bandwidth is not property. I'm not a lawyer, but my definition of property is anything that can be sold and bought or leased. When I pay for DSL service of Cable modem service I am leasing that piece of band width from the service provider. It's mine. Just because I'm not using it and I left the door open doesn't mean you can take it. It might make me stupid for doing so, but it doesn't make your actions any less illegal. However, like MasterBaiter said, I have done this in a pinch myself. In most cases it's a minor crime that I don't think the police should persue unless it gets out of hand. For instance, someone driving through neighborhoods activly scanning for signals to leach to engage in other illegal activities like distributing child p*rn and the such. Look at it this way. How would you feel if someone figured out the radio signal of your cordless phone and started making local calls from your line when your not home. It didn't cost you anything and you probably wouldn't even notice. Would that bother you? I know if would bug me. If you want to use my stuff just ask me first.
Is there anything out there that allows you to monitor your networks useage? I have two computers connected to a router that can be set up so that I have a wireless network. Im pretty sure its not broadcasting....but I'd like to make 100% sure its secure.
You are absolutely depriving me of my service. Me personally, my max DSL connection is 384kpbs. Just having my wife and I on at the same time greatly reduces each other's download speed. Having a 3rd unauthorized user would decrease my speed even more and "deprive me" of a service I paid for. Doesn't matter how much bandwith it is. Its not yours to use without my permission. and btw ..just because someone doesn't care if their goods or services are used without authorization, doesn't mean others don't either or that makes it legal As far as criminal prosection, that has nothing to do with my argument. I am not saying people should be prosecuted, I am just saying that it is stealing. If I don't want to use WEP, then thats my decision. Doesn't give anyone the right to use it, just like it doesn't give anyone the right to use my car if I leave the door unlocked and they keys in the ignition, when I am not using it.
I would assume ISPs sell you a service for your residence, which allows you to set up multiple PCs at your residence.
Overhearing something that is loud and intentionally taping into a telecom service that is not yours, are two different things.
