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Conservative Case for Drug Legalization: mar1juana

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by GladiatoRowdy, Jul 5, 2005.

  1. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Member

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    I think MadMax is way more right than either bigtexx and myself!

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  2. MadMax

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    we need to do that again, soon. man, that's good food.
     
  3. Jeffster

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    What is the name of your business, your address, and the approximate time you are "high as an f'n kite"?
     
  4. Invisible Fan

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    Yeah, more people would try it if weed became legal, but would it open the floodgates to repeat users? Just as most people don't drink or smoke all the time, weed would also be a life choice.

    I think people lump weed with the other dangerous drugs because dealers connect to the mainstream easiest with weed. Should weed be decriminalized, there would be lesser networks for people to find more hardcore drugs.

    I also think incarceration for non-violent drug offenders is extreme and counter-productive.
     
  5. jo mama

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    why, you going to tell on him?

    that would be uncool. :cool:
     
  6. DonnyMost

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    No one likes a..

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  7. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

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    To t_j,

    I note that your sig now includes another barb that I can only assume is pointed at me. I guess since you can't back anything with facts, evidence, or data, your sig will just continue to contain nothing but unsubstantiated garbage.

    I suppose that if you don't have the capacity to win a debate by debating, you have to make yourself feel better by poking at me in any way you can. Will you ever choose to be anything other than the sad joke you have shown yourself to be on this board?
     
  8. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Member

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    Just change your sig to the following:

    Conservatism destroys lives. Don't listen to the racists.
     
  9. GladiatoRowdy

    GladiatoRowdy Member

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    Thankfully, I don't feel the need to stoop to the level that t_j regularly does. Besides, I don't believe that conservatism destroys lives, it has just been co-opted by people who are using the guise of conservatism to meet their decidedly non-conservative goals.
     
  10. RocketMan Tex

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    Forgot to insert the Neo. Sorry!
     
  11. Jeffster

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    That kind of junior high mentality is a large reason we have a drug problem. People will rush to the phone to report all kinds of other crimes, but won't do their civic duty to report drug crimes.
     
  12. GladiatoRowdy

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    What you seem to be failing to grasp is that most people don't believe that drug crimes, particularly when talking about mar1juana, should be crimes in the first place. We are talking about a substance that over half of us born since 1956 or so have used at one point in our lives. Every single scientific study that has posed the question of the best way to deal with mar1juana since the 1800s has said that we should not make it illegal, but have espoused decriminalization, regulation, or legalization.

    I suppose you will support Sensenbrenner's proposed bill that would make it a crime punishable by two years in jail for failing to report a neighbor or friend who uses drugs. If that is the kind of America you want to live in then I truly feel sorry for you because you obviously have no idea what our forefathers fought and died for. Freedom is supposed to mean something, but the War on Drugs just keeps taking those freedoms away.

    The really sad part about attitudes like yours is that you don't see that we could get drugs out of the hands of our children altogether with a system of strong regulation where prohibition has done the exact opposite and provided our young people easy access to the most dangerous chemicals we know of.
     
  13. jo mama

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    so are you going to tell on him?

    i would love to hear your call to his boss...

    "hi, this is jeffster, i would like to report that studog told me on the internet that he smokes pot. i feel that it is my civic duty to let you as his employer know about this. i trust that you will take appropriate action on the matter."
     
  14. Jeffster

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    I don't fail to grasp that. "Most people" supported slavery at one point, that doesn't make it right.

    Every single study, huh? Man, you must be the most learned man in the history of the world if you have read the results of every single study. Are you Cheech & Chong's personal research assistant?

    Don't know, haven't read the bill or even a summary of it, so I'm not going to surmise based on your biased presentation of it. But hypothetically, I think a law like that would be much more of a headache to enforce than the actual drug laws.

    Now, here's where you cross over from just condescending to flat out ridiculous. "Our forefathers" did not "fight and die" for you to roll up weeds, light them on fire, and inhale them.

    Once again, you and I have a different definition of freedom.

    What's the polite way to say bull****? Whatever it is, consider it said here. This fantasy of some sort of well-regulated drug trade is just that. And how many crimes and destroyed lives there are because of alcohol should demonstrate to you that the "legal but regulated" thing is preposterous.
     
  15. Jeffster

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    I didn't say anything about calling his boss, in fact he implied he ran his own business. The call would be to the police, it's not tattling, it's reporting a crime being committed. You may want Smokey McWeed to roam free, but I don't.
     
  16. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    Plagiarism.
     
  17. GladiatoRowdy

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    Are you truly trying to draw a comparison between mar1juana use and slavery?

    On this particular topic, I am pretty darned learned. I have read the results of every single study I have ever heard of that dealt with the issue of mar1juana use and most of them that have been concerned with the use of other drugs as well. I felt that it was only right for me to be as educated as possible in order to more effectively counsel young people regarding the dangers of drug use. I was a drug abuse counselor specializing in adolescents, you see, so you are welcome to attempt to demean my studies by comparing me to 70's cult icons, but you will be as accurate in that portrayal as t_j is with everything he says on this board, which is to say not at all.

    You are welcome to look it up. HR 1528. Educate yourself.

    I would argue that asset forfeiture laws that place the burden of proof on the accused to prove that their property was not used in a drug crime flies squarely in the face of the amendment that guarantees that we will not be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.

    Our forefathers (George Washington for one) grew hemp, which is now illegal, the drafts of the Declaration of Independance were written on hemp paper, and in fact it is rumored that the American Flag that Betsy Ross so famously sewed was made of hemp.

    Our forefathers fought and died so that we would be free from tyranny and opression. Personally, I see the Drug War as tyranny and opression of more people than existed in America at the time.

    If you cannot see the freedoms that have been lost in the past thirty three years over the War on Drugs, then I am truly sorry for you. Again, I would encourage you to educate yourself on the subject.

    In Holland, they have half the rate of teen drug use that we see in this country. That number includes mar1juana, which is tolerated there. I would regulate drugs more stringently than they do in Holland and as such, I guarantee that under a system of regulation that I would create, we would see massive, sudden drops in rates of use by teens virtually overnight.

    There are lots of crimes and destroyed lives as a result of alcohol, which only lends more credence to my point. mar1juana is, by anyone's measure, a less destructive drug than alcohol is. You can die just from drinking too much alcohol where nobody has ever been documented to have died from mar1juana in the history of the world.

    Educate yourself, please.
     
  18. MR. MEOWGI

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    What harm do weed smokers cause you anymore than beer drinkers?

    Freedom is Freedom.

    I, rebel music
    I, rebel music
    Why can’t we roam this open country
    Oh why can’t we be what we want to be
    We want to be free

    3 o’clock - roadblock, curfew
    And I’ve got to throw away
    Yes I’ve got to throw away
    Yes I’ve got to throw away
    My little herb stalk

    I, rebel music
    I, rebel music

    Take my soul and suss me out
    Check my life if I am in doubt
    3 o’clock - roadblock
    And hey mr. cop, ain’t got no
    (what you say down there)
    Ain’t got no birth certificate on me now

    I, rebel music
    I, rebel music
    Take my soul and suss me out
    Check my life if I am in doubt
    3 o’clock - roadblock
    And hey mr. cop, ain’t got no
    (what you say down there)
    Ain’t got no birth certificate on me now.

    ~ Bob Marley
     
  19. jo mama

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    i think the cops would tell you to quit being such a tool and than hang up on you.
     
  20. GladiatoRowdy

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    Are you implying that you have copyrighted or trademarked that particular phrase? If I asked the professors where I work to explain plagiarism to me, do you think that they would include the phrase "What you seem to be failing to grasp" in the definition? If you can show me where that phrase is the particular intellectual property of any entity, I will bow to your greatness. Until then, I bask in your moronic stupidity. Thanks in advance.
     

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