Sam Cassell, Barnes is there to stay. Tehre is no chance he's gonna leave. I'm pretty happy with a 25 win season, and if we would have beat Temple, I would have graded the season an A-. Pued, I don't think we have a pure shooter on the team, maybe Ogden, but it's hard to shoot from left bench. I'm assuming Ford starts from day one. If he's this good, there's no way Freddie Williams can hold him off. ------------------ "norm, would you like to buy an indian scalp ? This deal isn't gonna make or break me Norm, so don't jerk me around." Harry Carey "Norm, if I had a mohawk scalp, I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you."
Darren Kelly is a senior...right? If he could only get an extra year of eligibility. Texas needs DK. ------------------
Yeah, Barnes sucks. Best record in the Big12 over the last 3 years. Best 3-year span in UT history. But let's dump him cuz we lost one game. How about we go find another coach and if he doesn't win a national title in 3 yrs, lets replace him too. Screw that -- why not just give coaches one years? National title, or you're gone. Yeah, that's an excellent way to build a program. ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
Maybe I'm wrong, but aren't Roy and BJ his players. And weren't those balls thrown by Chris Simms, another one of his players? Not many people argue that John Mackovic didn't bring in good players, he just didn't coach them very well. If Mack Brown is supposed to be a genius, it shouldn't make that big a difference that some of the players aren't "his" players. shanna, I really don't think that Barnes should be fired, I'm just not as excited about him as I was. It's one thing that this season was supposed to be a rebuilding one, but it was clear early on, especially after beating Illinois, that it wasn't. This team should have won the BigXII. We saw flashes of how good they were in the ISU game, parts of the Kansas game, and the Missouri game at the end of the year. However, this team had something resembling an offense for about 8 games this year. Most of the time it was downright unbearable to watch. I'm giving Brown one more year. If he can't compete for a national championship next year with our schedule (and I'll definitely give him a break if we don't get in the game because of the whole strength of schedule thing), then rumblings should begin. As for Barnes, he needs to show that he can win more than a first round game in the tournament. The losses the last three years have been inexcusable in my opinion. There's no way we should lose to Temple (granted, they are playing well) the way we did. After all his bullsh!t ramblings about the seedings last week, his team comes out flatter than Kagy's new girlfriend (just kidding, I haven't seen her). All that being said, the difference between myself and a majority of UT fans is this-I want to be wrong. I don't think Brown and, to a lesser extent, Barnes are that great of coaches right now. But I'd give anything for them to prove me an idiot (I'm sure many of you would argue I've proven that myself). I still get sickened at the "fans" who were rooting for the team to lose in 1997 just so they could justify canning Mackovic. So, Mack and Rick, prove me wrong!! ------------------ www.swirve.com...The reason Al Gore invented the internet.
shanna, I really don't think that Barnes should be fired, I'm just not as excited about him as I was. It's one thing that this season was supposed to be a rebuilding one, but it was clear early on, especially after beating Illinois, that it wasn't. This team should have won the BigXII. We saw flashes of how good they were in the ISU game, parts of the Kansas game, and the Missouri game at the end of the year. But that's the mark of a rebuilding team. Take a team that's young but talented. What are they going to do? Play in flashes -- great at times, horrible at times. That's exactly what they did this year -- similar to what the Rockets have done for the past 2 years. When they finally put it all together (as the Rockets seem to be doing), they'll be awesome, but that takes time and maturity. You say that it was clear early on that this wasn't a rebuilding team. Maybe, but if that's true, then when you bring in 4 new starters, only have two primary players returning from last year, maybe the fact that it didn't look like a rebuilding team was due to excellent coaching? See this thread (that no one responded to) for what I think is a good article about where the Longhorns are: http://bbs.clutchcity.net/ubb/Forum7/HTML/003278.html ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
shanna, I'm not basing my opinion of Barnes solely on this year. I'm taking into account the embarrassing losses to Purdue in 1999 and LSU in 2000 along with the horrible performance this year against Temple. It's a pattern that's taking shape that I don't like, getting the crap beat out of you by teams you should beat in the NCAA tournament. ------------------ www.swirve.com...The reason Al Gore invented the internet.
You forgot to mention Barnes' pattern of first round exits in the NCAA Tournament!. ------------------ "Blues is a Healer" --John Lee Hooker
RMTex, that's what the Purdue loss was referring to! ------------------ www.swirve.com...The reason Al Gore invented the internet.
You forgot to mention Barnes' pattern of first round exits in the NCAA Tournament!. RMT, has anyone ever actually looked at the seeding of his previous teams? shanna, I'm not basing my opinion of Barnes solely on this year. I'm taking into account the embarrassing losses to Purdue in 1999 and LSU in 2000 along with the horrible performance this year against Temple. It's a pattern that's taking shape that I don't like, getting the crap beat out of you by teams you should beat in the NCAA tournament. Purdue was an upset, no question. LSU was a higher seed than we were, I believe, so the loss was expected (4 vs 5). Temple was actually favored over Texas -- maybe there was a reason for that? They are also ranked higher in the computer rankings -- again, maybe they really are good? They lost 7 straight games early in the season when their best player was out. They were a major conference champion that does this year-in and year-out. The announcers yesterday said it best -- you can prepare for their zone all you want, but it's different when you experience it for the first time (especially when your team is primarily Freshmen). A-10 teams play them twice a year and slowly figure it out, but teams who've never played them get shocked quite often, and that's why Temple always pulls upsets. In case you didn't notice, they have a good chance to be an Elite Eight team. While I do think we should have won, I don't see this as a huge upset. I just find it funny that people place so much importance on one game over a season-long record. Only one team's going to be happy at the end of the tournament. The other 63 coaches "couldn't win the big game". Name someone who you think of a good college basketball coach? Kelvin Sampson? Knocked out by Indiana State Roy Williams? Knocked out in the 2nd round the last 3 years Eddie Sutton? No quality wins this year Dean Smith? How many times did his teams get upset? Mike K? Couldn't win the big one in 1999 against a supposedly weaker UConn team. How many championships have his incredible Blue Devils won recently? How many times were they expected to win? Lute Olson? Loses early nearly every year except for one. Stanford's coach? Never won a championship Jim Calhoun (?) - Won a championship and followed that by not even making the tournament 2 years later These are the coaches of some of the best teams in basketball -- yet all of them have shortcomings. Who do you consider a spectacular coach? ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
Last I checked shanna, all the coaches you mentioned have made it past the Sweet 16 at one point (not sure about Sampson, but you know how I feel about him). As for the LSU loss last year, it may not have been an upset, but Texas still got there asses handed to them on a platter. That's the thing, I'd probably be less harsh on Barnes now if it wasn't for the way his teams lose in the tournament. ------------------ www.swirve.com...The reason Al Gore invented the internet.
Your list of top coaches doesn't include a few who I consider among the best, shanna: Tubby Smith Steve Alford Mark Few John Chaney And I agree with RM95 that the way we lost hurts. Texas was run out of the gym by both LSU and Temple. ------------------
Yeah, it was a close game the majority of the way and if Chris Mihm doesn't get woefully sick and look like death-warmed over, he finishes that dunk late in the game and Texas wins. Its not like LSU was a bad team, this was the same team that had absolutely destroyed Arizona earlier in the year. ------------------ The Rockets will be the NBA champions. Believe.
Last I checked shanna, all the coaches you mentioned have made it past the Sweet 16 at one point (not sure about Sampson, but you know how I feel about him). So? They had more talent and better teams -- they should have made it past the Sweet 16. They still all got upset by worse teams. I don't see the difference here. Your list of top coaches doesn't include a few who I consider among the best, shanna: Yeah, I can't name their records, so I didn't include them. However, if the comparison is that Barnes isn't amongst the absolute best coaches in the nation, I can agree. My point was that he doesn't suck. And I agree with RM95 that the way we lost hurts. Texas was run out of the gym by both LSU and Temple. Temple proceeded to also run a Top 10 Florida team out of the building as well. Didn't we lose to LSU in the final minute? ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
