[Article] Is Manu a flopper: Many opponents not fond of his dramatic falls

Those who hate Manu ignore that many players do the same. Even big Ben flopped. At least 2 plays, 1st quarter Duncan walked down the lane into Ben, barely made contact and he went flying. The other play, Manu may have charged into Ben but it was hardly a big enough blow to put Ben onto his seat.

 

Seeing as the Rockets will have to deal with Manu for several years, your hatred and whining is completely understandable.

 

So who's worse? Manu, the lazy defender or Bowen, the dirty defender?

I'm betting players hate Bruce more, either because they do get locked down or because there's some truth in his cheapness.

 

Ahh...there we go. Despite Manu, I like the way the Spurs play and I like Duncan, so it's sometimes hard to really think on why they shouldn't win.

But then the fans come back around, and I remember.

 

and if by some miracle the Rockets managed to get Manu Rockets fans would be dancing in the streets. Excluding you of course .

 

If the Rockets got Ginobili, this city would go nuts.

 

Excellent point.

 

I Love the way that Manu plays.......he plays HARD, he hustles and yes he flops......

But man I would love to have him on the Rockets.

DD

 

wallace was flopping everywhere. Wheres the hate for that?

 

Whiners.

 

Uh no. Whining would be considered more like b****ing everyday for years on end that you miss your r****ded old coach and want him back with every fiber of your can't-never-let-go yeast infected lifetime channel being.

This is just the case of pointing out a disgrace to the league and game

 

San Antonio just outplayed Detroit in the 4th quarter...and it wasn't even close. Manu was 6-6 from the field...hit big shot after big shot while Detroit went on one of their many dry spells.

NBA refereeing sucks, but didn't decide the outcome of this game. Detroit was up 17-4, a 13 point lead. They lost by 15. San Antonio outplayed them by 28 points from midway through the first quarter. They were better in the second, better in the third, and significantly better in the 4th. Detroit played decent defense, but who is going to score for that team?

The Rockets got destroyed in Game 7. Yes, they made mini-runs that got them close enough so as a fan we could cross our fingers and pray...but again, it wasn't refereeing that lost the game.

I'm not saying flopping is okay. I just actually agree for the most part with Manu...he's less of a flopper than an exagerator of actual fouls. And I agree that refereeing can decide important games, just not the 2 you highlighted. If anything, I would have said Game 5 of Rockets-Dallas was the big referee fiasco.

 

Hater...

 

You make a lot of very good points on which agree. However I think maybe you were intending to reply to someone else's post and not mine because your reply has nothing to do with my post that you quoted or any previous post I made.

It was never my contention that San Antonio didn't play well or didn't deserve to win. Even if the game had been called more evenly they still probably would have won. And I agree that Ginobli made a lot of very good plays. I've never denied that he is very skilled and very smart and very good in the clutch. And the flopping on defense is something a ton of players do, including Ben Wallace from last night. Maybe Ginobli gets away with it at a higher success rate though!

But anyways, the problem looming is that every other play he barrells into the defender forcing contact and then takes a dive to the floor with his arms flailing and legs convulsing. Even if you still somehow respect the guy after that, you cannot deny that what he's doing is bad for the game and likely to create a new trend with many other players trying the same.

 

If Manu is so out of control every time he drives to the basket, then how does he finish all those crazy shots with such consistency? He probably has some of the best body control of any player in the league. I would love it if Tmac could finish around the basket as consistently as Manu. How about that little finger roll that he decided to dunk at the last second? That was an incredible play that shows his great body control. Besides, drawing attention to contact is nothing new. It has existed in the NBA for years. Kobe drives and yells 'HEY!" to get the ref's attention. Do you also complain when both Kobe and Tmac pumpfake with the sole intention of jumping into the defender and getting three freethrows? Francis used to go down on every drive to the basket, but did you vehemently complain about that and call the man a disgrace?

 

Sure Ginobli has great body control and is a good finisher in traffic. But on a lot of those possessions he's only able to get to the rim for those finishes in the first place because he knocks the defender off balance to get himself an open look. He forces all the contact, then flails his torso and appendages like he's just been raped by a polar bear, takes 3 or 4 steps, and then once he hears the whistle puts up an acrobatic shot. Some of them go in.

And the difference with Tmac is that he is usually going straight up for the shot. If he leans into the defender then I agree that he should not get freethrows. But Ginobli is not just leaning into the defender, he's plowing right thru him.

And btw, I've already been saying for years that Francis is a disgrace to basketball

 

I think Manu has taken the lead from Kobe. That was one of the first guys that used to plow into the lane and expect a foul to be called everytime. It not his fault he can sell fouls better.

 

pippen,

So by this logic, you can't stand Shaq either, right?

I mean he is the KING of initiating contact and getting his man off balance.

DD

 

Let's first look at Ginoboli's style of play. He drives and makes stuff happen. He finds a way to get to the rim. His speed is unreal and is putting NBA defenders on the defensive.

I've seen Ginoboli balance himself on a baseball on one leg. He has tremendous balance and he can go to he hoop unlike a lot of other people in the WORLD. And when you play that type of game you must learn how to fall, if not your A$$ is going to be injured every game. I don't think Ginoboli would stop playing his type of game if the calls weren't made. He needs to fall on his butt instead of twisting his ankle of breaking his leg.

There were some previous posters that highlighted Ginoboli's exagerated and overdramatic drives to the basket. If every other player in the NBA could do the things that Ginoboli could do, wouldn't they be doing it? I'm sure you guys would be doing it too. I wouldn't be surprised if Ginoboli had a background in gymnsatics.

Ginoboli's talent is unmistakable. He lead a squad of Argentinians past the USA team and to a world metal. It's easy to make him a scape goat and criticize his style, but Ginoboli does bring it to floor each and every game.

Don't blame Ginoboli, blame the refs for making the calls. If this is considered a problem, the let's have the NBA fix it, and let's end it at that.

 

DD,

Shaq doesn't fall to the floor and flop for the refs right after implanting his shoulder into the defender. Granted, initiating contact is a part of almost every great offensive player. Even Hakeem's bread & butter Dreamshake was predicated on creating space with his right shoulder just to get himself a better look on the left baseline. But there's a big difference between initiating contact to try to get a shot off and doing so simply as part of a full dramatic sequence with zapruder-esque whiplash, buckling kneecaps, spastic elbows, and all.