When were the Progressives wrong on a moral issue?

Rocketman95: It is painfully obvious that you don't understand my beliefs. Big surprise! Have you ever heard that it is the exception that proves the rule?

If a mother wants to choose an abotion when it is recommended as a medical necessity, I don't have (and never have had) a problem with that.

I'm sorry that I'm not as dogmatic as you would like to paint me, but that's what you get for being closed-minded. It is never my choice; it is the mother's and only under those dire circumstances with medical affirmation. It is NEVER an easy choice.

These women (and men) who promote abotion (read baby-killing) because they "just don't want to have a baby" are sickening.

You don't throw away a human life for such shallow reasons. Sometimes one life may have to be sacrificed for another. If you can't see the difference between the two scenarios you are far more closed-minded than you accuse me of being.



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I've never accused you of being closed minded. I just don't understand how someone could condone baby-killing in one circumstance but not another.

Read, it's not my belief that a fetus that cannot live outside a mother's womb is a human being. Read, that's where we differ. Read, I'm against partial birth abortion, even when it may save the life of the mother, unless it can be shown that the baby wouldn't live anyway. Read, I don't condone sacrificing a life (read, murder), in one circumstance and not the other. It's not murder when it's not a life (read, my opinion).

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That's just crazy. You'd let your wife die in this situation? There's no contradiction to being anti-abortion and opting to save the mother's life over the child's. That's the only time there actually is a 'choice'.

 

I don't see how you can make that choice. What makes your wife's life more valuable than your baby's? If you can somehow show that the baby wouldn't live without the mother (I'd probably even do it if the baby was unhealthy), then that's fine with me. But I'd have a really hard time justifying that decision.

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I agree with RM95 ... with the advancement of medicine, dying in childbirth is not as great of a risk as it used to be, but it is still a risk. I would think this would be a possibility a husband and wife would talk about and deal with before they decided to have a baby.

There shouldn't be a value judgment here unless the baby really isn't going to make it. Particularly if you argue that a fetus is a human. You wouldn't make a value judgment against two adult humans, why do it with a mother and a baby?

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Because I know my wife. I love my wife.

My baby could turn into Hitler.

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You love boinking your wife.

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That too... but she's my peer. She's smart. She knows her name, and not to pull on the kitties' tails. We have alot to talk about.

Besides, you can always make another baby. You can always adopt considering the planet has too many damn people on it.

Your form is split once at childbirth... it's amazing to even find your matching form once, let alone abandoning it to be a parent.

Talk about resentment. "What was my mommy like dad?".

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Hey, I understand that the husband/wife bond will generally be stronger than the parent/newborn bond ... my extended in-laws (aunts, cousins, etc) are living proof that family is an accident.

But from the perspective of not terminating a pregnancy because a fetus is a human, but then allowing there to be a choice between the life of the mother and an actual soon-to-be-newborn infant, it seems to be a contradiction.

And I know all husbands would choose wife over baby, but would all mothers choose life over baby?

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AhPook & RM95,

It is the same logic that allows people to eat cows, pigs, and chickens freely but think that eating dogs and cats is disgusting and cruel.

They are all value judgements. Just because you know your wife does not mean she deserves to live more. Sure you can have another baby, but it will not be the SAME person.

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If it ever comes to that, it is my wife's decision. It really is very simple. I'm not imposing it; she will choose-- there's that word.

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Just wanted to add that starting this thread would be the equivalent of Kobe Bryant bragging to all his friends about how his Lakers won the championship in 1980.

 

Hell, that's nothing. Republicans have been clueless about everything since Abraham Lincoln was murdered!

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Well, as many of my arguments might indicate, jamcracker, I don't always read the ****ing threads all the way through.

(Let me just retract that petulant remark there. My apologies.)

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I'm surprised to find out you can read.

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Of course I can read. If I couldn't, I'd do movie reviews for a living.

 

Priceless!

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That's not funny. Movie critics can read. What we can't do is stop eating, have you seen Ebert lately?

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