When were the Progressives wrong on a moral issue?

Just want to add that Progressives made segregation illegal. Groups are not allowed to even choose segregation, like you imply. It is against the law. Progressives have a lot of groups who disagree with them on this issue, besides it does not progress our racial understandings one iota.

If this is true, then I'm one of those who disagree with it. However, I don't believe if it is true. If I want to move into a minority neighborhood of my choice, I can do that. If I want to pray at school, I can do that too. If I want to preach at school, I can even do that (under freedom of speech). How are these things illegal? The only thing that is restricted is that the government can't encourage me to do any of these things.

Why are Progressives congratulating themselves on this issue? Are they really Right?

I'm not sure Progressives *are* congratulating themselves. Remember, there are still people fighting against racism in today's society, arguing that there is a long way to go still. These are the progressives of today's society.

The progressives of 30 years ago do have a right to congratulate themselves, in my opinion. I think there has been steady progress in changing young people's attitudes about racism, and I think they deserve some credit for making it a major issue. Is the problem solved? Absolutely not. Did these people help to move us in the right direction? I think so.

Shanna: would you agree that when Progressives say they were right about racism or segregation, they are applying a very narrow view of our racial landscape.

I think it's an overly broad statement to say someone was "right" about an issue like this. Right as compared to who? If you're talking about 100 years ago when Progressives would have been saying "Minorities should have equal rights" and others were saying "No, they should not", then I'd say yes, Progressives were right. But it all boils down to opinions and context -- some people still feel that minorities shouldn't have equal rights, and I'm sure they'd say Progressives were "wrong" about it.


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What is right and wrong?

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Achebe, did you really say I should get off this Black Ideology schpiel of mine? WTF?? Oh My Holy Hell? Let's just segregate the BBS some more and make a Black Ideology Hangout Forum, then. Why do I have to get off explaining cultural differences from an Ideology statement.

Fact is: Progressive vs Conservative ideology in America often ignore the non-mainstream issues of minorities in both groups.

Why can't I be that voice to add some depth here that the Hangout clearly doesn't like to address? You sound like you want me to Shut Up. That is very Progressive of you.

 

Hi Heb.

Are you talking about 40 million people he's killed? If so, I think you're numbers are low. Between the Purges (which was small potatoes), Collectivization, Dekulakization, and starving out the Ukraine -- and not even mentioning military deaths (like the beating he took from from the Finns; I'm not even blaming him for WWII deaths) -- it probably tops 100 million. Of all the supervillains of the world, Stalin had Hitler beat 6 ways in quantity, quality, and outright paranoia.


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Progressives are wrong about everything, conservatives are wrong about everything.

Everything is nothing.

Nihilism is fun, isn't it?

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heyp, calm down turbo. break out was meant to mean 'explain'.

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You are right about that!

or was that a contradiction...oops, I guess I could be wrong.

 

I didn't hijack your thread. You said Progressives were right about Racism.

Progressives are right about racism in their own little ideological world of Progressive vs Conservatives if you really believe that. Like we are all one or the other.

Can you explain more what you meant? Maybe your context really was only your ideological world, then you are right.

 

heypartner,

Again... I asked you to explain the black ideologies that you're so concerned with. We're all here, able to test the validity and soundness of arguments.

You're acting like the sanctity of white suburbia makes critiques any less potent. Give 'em to us! Don't hide behind cultural relativism!

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Rocketman95: It ain't about beliefs; it's about truth! Nazis had certain beliefs about Jews. Do you still want to depend on that argument?

That fetus, if nourished and protected, will become a human child and NEVER a toaster or a filet mignon. No other outcome is possible.

The fetal child is neither a 3 nor an 8-year old but neither is an 8-year old a good bartender!

Does that make him or her less valuable of a human being? That seems to be the argument that the cowardly pro-choice lobbyists rely upon. If a woman deserves the right of her body, doesn't the fetal child have the same right logically?

Because it can't nurse yet, or coo yet, or creep or crawl yet, or ride a bicycle yet, or do summations yet, or solve algebraic formulas yet, or oversleep yet, or change lab results yet, or get a girl or boyfriend yet it is SUPPOSED TO NOT BE A CHILD. Ludicrous!

Notice the repetitive use of "yet?" Think about that one...

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RichRocket, RocketRichNYC, Richie Richie Rich. Mickity Mickity Mickity Mickity Mac.

I agree. But, Chimpanzees can do most of those things too.

My umbrella is big enough, is yours?

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So, just because my sperm hasn't fertilized an egg YET, I probably shouldn't wear a condom huh?

I should probably stop masturbating huh?

It's not a living thing, IMO, until it can live on it's own. And if that's cowardly of me, then so f*ckin be it.

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It ain't about beliefs; it's about truth! Nazis had certain beliefs about Jews. Do you still want to depend on that argument?

RichRocket, I think you just demonstrated his argument. The Nazi's had beliefs about Jews. Maybe they weren't correct, but they were only beliefs. Just because they thought something didn't make it true.

Similarly, just because you think fetuses are human and some other people don't, doesn't make one of you right and the other wrong -- it's your belief.

That fetus, if nourished and protected, will become a human child

The key word there is will. By saying it will become a human, you're accepting the fact that it isn't already a child. A seed will become a plant, but we don't consider it a plant already -- we consider it a seed.

The argument is not whether a fetus will become a human - that's common sense. The question is whether it already is a human.

You could make the argument that an egg is already human because if properly nourished (with sperm ), it would become a human as well.


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Rocketman95: I'm not imposing an abortion on anyone.

I'm simply recognizing that when a mother's life is medically endangered, she (with the counsel of her physician) should have a choice. See, I'm pro-choice (in a very limited sort of way)!

It's her life (literally) and her baby (actually). She should have a choice in that instance. What a tough choice, but it's hers and no one elses.

I heartily object, though, to these abortions on demand as family planning tools because someone regrets getting pregnant. There is more than one human life involved and there are many, many adoption alternatives.

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Progressives were wrong about pretty much everything having to deal with the Soviet Union and international Communism from 1917 until the Vietnam War.

 

RichRocket, how can you put one human life over another? I still don't understand. If you adhere to the belief that a fetus, no matter what the month, is human, how can you possibly say that the woman has a choice? If the natural thing would be for the baby to live and the mother to die, then that's how it should be, according to your beliefs. It seems awful convenient for you to change your belief about which life is more important when it actually comes down to the adult losing their life.

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jamcracker, he can still write it weirdo.

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