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Aftermath of Abortion

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by giddyup, May 15, 2005.

  1. giddyup

    giddyup Member

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    It does nothing of the sort. I already have four kids-- probably more than I can afford! I know people wanting to adopt, why should I even think about taking a child away from them?
     
  2. ricky-retardo

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    So in order to be pro-life one must first adopt an unwanted child. This is just stupid. There are a lot of ways to support a cause. Maybe a pro-lifer does not want or is not ready for a child yet.
     
  3. MartianMan

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    That is a great point. Maybe some of those teenagers who get pregnant aren't ready either.

    Also, I never said you have to adopt to be a pro-lifer. Just be willing to put your money where your mouth is.
     
  4. giddyup

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    Why do the conservatives have to solve everybody else's problems for them? :D
     
  5. MartianMan

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    Well, when you solve a problem that you create, I don't know if you should get credit for that... :p
     
  6. krosfyah

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    Why is educating people bad?!?!?!?!?! If you educate them, isn't that allowing them to take "personal responsibility?" I really don't get the mentality. Please explain. I just don't understand the mentality that says less information is a good thing.

    Look, I oppose abortion too. But I'm suggesting we stop abortion BEFORE it comes into play.

    How is outlawing abortion forcing people to take "personal responsibility?" Lets take the money that would have been used to write legislation, enact the law and enforce those laws to educate people instead.

    Yes, personal responsibility would be VERY nice.

    Now, lets check back into reality. Statistically speaking, whats the chance of stopping all abortions even if you outlawed it? How many illegal abortions will occur. How many mothers would also die in the process. How many will fly/drive to other countries to perform the abortion? You haven't fixed the problem...you've only diverted it. End result is the same.

    Then how many mothers would have the babies anyway and bring in another child into poverty that will end up putting a larger burden on America? How is that good?

    Lets reduce the pregnancy rate altogether rather than simply focusing on abortion.
     
  7. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    You talk about the lack of education with respect to pregnancy and teen sex. Do you really believe in this day and age that the vast majority of teenagers don't know that a pregancy may occur if they have unprotected sex? For the sake of this question, let's stick to the U.S. since it has such a high rate of teen preganacies.
     
  8. MartianMan

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    I think you quoted the wrong guy. I didn't talk about sex education at all in this thread. :confused:
     
  9. ricky-retardo

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    I think you missed my point or I did not clearly define it. I have no problem with educating people on the issues. I only meant that even with information people will continue to make mistakes but I did not try to imply that we should stop educating people.
     
  10. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Whoops....sorry about that...
     
  11. ricky-retardo

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    If I were to put my money where my mouth and be an good acting pro-lifer I would not abort a child if I had an unwanted pregnancy.
     
  12. giddyup

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    In case you haven't been informed, there are lots of casual abortions taking place. How did someone who is against that "option" responsible for it being available?

    More blaming.... :eek:
     
  13. MartianMan

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    I'm sorry. Us liberals like to have sex without protection and then have an abortion because we can. Frankly, we don't like the use of a condom since it numbs the pleasure. :rolleyes:
     
  14. Baqui99

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    No need to turn this into a pissing contest. Abortion will always be a very divisive issue.
     
  15. krosfyah

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    Yes, I do honestly beleive it. Teenagers are famous for their lack of judgement. If you work closely with teenagers and continue to drum the same message over and over...then that will assist in their decision making skills.

    Simply mentioning once...don't have sex...isn't sufficient.

    You need to pound it into their heads and then reinforce it. You need to explain VD, AIDS, pregnancy, the costs, the welfare of the child. Kids need to have lessons reinforced. Over and Over and Over. Yes they know it...but...they are still kids.

    For example...why do we still educate people about buckling up in their cars or drinking and driving. AND these are geared to adults. Reinforcement of ideas works. BTW, both activities are illegal and people still do it. Making something illegal doesn't stop it.

    Another example, in the 80's teen smoking went down because of all the attention the topic received. In the 90's and beyond, you don't hear much about adds or programs anymore. As a result teen smoking levels are as high as ever.

    If you are interested in preserving life....decrease pregnancy rates. Attacking abortions is treating the symptom...not the cause.
     
  16. giddyup

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    I get your drift, but I think referring to another human life about to be extinguished as but a "symptom" is a bit callous.

    If teenagers are just so reckless, why doesn't each of them father or mother a child before they are finished with their sophomore year in college? This smells like an excuse to me.

    By my admittedly unscientific poll, most of the horny-cats here did not get or get someone pregnant before marriage.
     
  17. MadMax

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    krosfyah --

    not sure if you read my earlier response here...but your concerns are not meeting with those who are typically pro-life. the social outcomes and concerns are there, to be certain. but if you believe that these are lives being snuffed out, then there's a concern there that trumps the social concerns. it comes back to whether this is a living human being or not...when is it...when is it not? those are the key questions. when is a fetus deserving of the same protections of life that you and i enjoy? that's the issue.
     
  18. MR. MEOWGI

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    But at what cost? That's another issue.
     
  19. giddyup

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    Who pays the price? That's another one...
     
  20. MadMax

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    at what cost do we protect your life? if we determine a fetus is a living human being with a right to live, that generally trumps all, unless it becomes a threat to someone else.

    live and let live, right?
     

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