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Bush's FDA Appointee - Another Fine Christian Gentleman

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by wnes, May 12, 2005.

  1. MadMax

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    that would certainly help state your case!! :D
     
  2. wouldabeen23

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    Why do you think I am a life long Episcopalian?? We drink every Sunday AND the Priest gets to swill down the left-overs...what a DEAL!
     
  3. MadMax

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    i grew up in the episcopal church! i was an acolyte for years as a kid. yeah, the guys up at the altar would fire back those leftovers.

    i've never understood the absolute prohibitions to alcohol observed by some in the faith...particularly given this story. Jesus turns water to wine to keep the party going.
     
  4. wouldabeen23

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    It's official Max....we HAVE derailment!

    On a side note, since this train has taken a dive, my Fiance, who grew up in the Church of Christ...*shudder*...said her preacher went on a tirade about the Wedding in Canna.

    His, uh, theologic argument, was that Jesus didn't actually change the water into WINE, per se, but that he turned it into a fine, pure non-alcoholic grape juice. I laughed out lound when she told me that littel gem of a story.

    WOW...wowey-wow
     
  5. real_egal

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    For me, according to my understanding of the Bible, anything emerges as strict rule or formality, is unchristian. Old Testament is about Law, and the New Testament is about Love.
     
  6. real_egal

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    I guess that's one of the problem. Once it's become a religion, there are always people to lecture you how you should interpret God's words, according to their own understanding, or even worse sometimes, to fit their own argument.
     
  7. MadMax

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    wow..and they drank Welch's at the First Communion??
     
  8. MadMax

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    i can't follow you there. Jesus was a student of the Old Testament...he affirmed it...he never denied it. He denied its application at the time by those in charge of the temple. There is a ton about love in the Old Testament, as well. And without it, it's very hard to understand the context and the need for Christ.
     
  9. real_egal

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    Sorry about my English. I tried to be simple, which doesn't mean there is no law in New Testament, nor there is no love in Old. Just different emphasis.

    My point was, the rules, especially those strict rules for formalities, don't reflect the Bible (IMHO). I don't think that's what the Bible is about. It's more about people who are in power, and their own agenda. Of course, just my 2 cents.
     
  10. basso

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    Hmmmm, my mom's a GP, my sister a breast cancer surgeon, and my step-mother an anestheseologist.
     
  11. FranchiseBlade

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    Deckard, I agree with you if it is 100% true. He should be in prison. That's why I said the part about hm being criminal.

    Whether or not the criminal part is true, the other things in there seem undeniable. But cheating on his wife, and paying his mistress, as well as filming and taking pics of the acts would make him sleezy, but wouldn't prevent him from doing the job.

    But until we know for a fact that he forced himself on his wife, I would like to use the term 'if' when talking about his criminal activities. I agree marriage wouldn't nullify his criminal rape. If he went to trial and was found guilty then I would definitely say to lock him up and throw away the key. I just don't have any way to fairly presume his guilt. I don't like him, and I don't like Bush, I have every reason to want to condem the fool. I just don't know about his guilt regarding the rape.
     
  12. Deckard

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    No, I derailed the topic when I asked for an explanation, Max. My "light" may have been on, but I've been away... just got back. I think I liked this quote the best, although the numbers sorta interrupt the flow, if you know what I mean, so I took them out. ;) :

    Luke 5:
    Then Levi held a great banquet for Jesus at his house, and a large crowd of tax collectors and others were eating with them. But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, "Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and 'sinners'?" Jesus answered them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

    Good stuff, without a doubt. I've always preferred the quotes of Jesus himself to the various "interpretations" that make up so much scripture... not that I'm any expert! The man this thread is about hasn't been convicted of anything, so for me to denounce him is surely jumping the gun. Heck, we do that all the time here. Assuming the "charges" brought against him by his wife are true, he doesn't seem to have repented. He seems to be actively lying on a national stage, provided, in part, by our President.

    If what he has done, and is continuing to be a hypocrite about, is true, I would prefer that he do his repenting behind bars... not on a Federal panel with the prestige of the American President behind him. As pirc said, " Are all the decent Republicans dead?" Of course they aren't. This President just seems to be infatuated with the most extreme members of the Republican Party.

    To quote JFK, speaking at the American University in Washington, on June 10th, 1963...

    "It is the responsibility of the executive branch at all levels of government - local, State, and National - to provide and protect that freedom for all of our citizens by all means within their authority. It is the responsibility of the legislative branch at all levels, wherever that authority is not now adequate, to make it adequate. And it is the responsibility of all citizens in all sections of this country to respect the rights of all others and to respect the law of the land.

    All this is not unrelated to world peace. "When a man's ways please the Lord," the Scriptures tell us, "he maketh even his enemies to be at peace with him." And is not peace, in the last analysis, basically a matter of human rights - the right to live out our lives without fear of devastation - the right to breathe air as nature provided it - the right of future generations to a healthy existence?

    While we proceed to safeguard our national interests, let us also safeguard human interests. And the elimination of war and arms is clearly in the interest of both. No treaty, however much it may be to the advantage of all, however tightly it may be worded, can provide absolute security against the risks of deception and evasion. But it can - if it is sufficiently effective in its enforcement and if it is sufficiently in the interests of its signers - offer far more security and far fewer risks than an unabated, uncontrolled, unpredictable arms race.

    The United States, as the world knows, will never start a war. We do not want a war. We do not now expect a war. This generation of Americans has already had enough - more than enough - of war and hate and oppression. We shall be prepared if others wish it. We shall be alert to try to stop it. But we shall also do our part to build a world of peace where the weak are safe and the strong are just. We are not helpless before that task or hopeless of its success. Confident and unafraid, we labor on - not toward a strategy of annihilation but toward a strategy of peace.



    I read that recently and, for some reason, the "bolded" part has stuck with me. Where are these leaders today? How is the country so bankrupt that we cannot elect leaders who work for peace and unity as much as they work for the division of the country into the greatest extremes possible? How did the country so lose it's way that we can have unworthy candidates for the opposition, and elect a President who is one of the most divisive in US history?



    Keep D&D Civil!!
     
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  14. wouldabeen23

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    back.....and to the left......back......and to the left
     
  15. pirc1

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    I am not saying there are no woman doctors, just the % is very low compared to male doctors.
     
  16. MadMax

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    Now, that's a great post.

    I don't think it's condemning someone when you enforce the law...not in the way it's meant in the Bible anyway. Because God forgives someone does not mean they should not still be subject to the law of the land. Two different purposes, entirely. And I don't get to make the call for God...we only get to make the call for us...for society. If this guy committed a crime, he should be held accountable for it. If this guy does not meet the requisites of one who should occupy such an office, then he shouldn't be nominated for it to begin with.

    I agree entirely and am equally frustrated. I don't think there's anyone in the political ranks that I identify with as my representative. By the way...I liked this one from the quote above: "While we proceed to safeguard our national interests, let us also safeguard human interests."
     
  17. F.D. Khan

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    Gotta hand it to the EX-wife. She was charging $2000 just to give her husband a hummer. Quite a scrupulous lady if I do say so myself.

    The fact that she would take money for sexual favors from her husband really says a lot about her character.

    I really don't know much about the guys or his situation, but I find this pretty deplorable.
     
  18. wouldabeen23

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    You are right F.D., ever since the garden of Eden, women have been sly, licentious, instigators that try and trap and seduce men with their feminine powers...:rolleyes:
     
  19. wnes

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    Given the feministic and liberal overtone in the report, I am willing to cut Dr. Hager some slack.

    He allegedly had only one "youthful indiscretion", more than 20 years ago, over 30 years of his marriage? Compared to most American males, this is almost a sainthood.

    The guy is a highly educated medical professional, but probably had spent most of the time of his life in a very conservative state with a conservative-minded wife, who had been mostly washed out by burden of raising multiple kids. Marital rape isn't easy to prove in court - always boils down to she-said vs he-said.

    Look, OB/GYN is a stressful job. The guy got horny and tired of missionary routines, so he turned kinky. What's interesting to me is how a devout Christian fundamentalist interprets sodomy. Is it referring to 1) anal sex, 2) anal sex only between males, or 3) any sexual contact between males? I don't see sodomy is explicitly defined in Bible. So people versed with Bible here please shed some light on this? (Hope the discussion doesn't divert the topic of this thread)

    Regardless, the guy doesn't practice what he preaches - he is a hypocrite! I actually have less problem with Dubya appointing a Christian fundamentalist to an advisory committee, which doesn't require senate confirmation. Hey the President gets to choose whomever he wants, and we have to live with it for the remainder of his lame duck presidency. What bugs me is the overwhelming double standards and hypocrisy this administration bring to the our nation's policies.
     
  20. Sishir Chang

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    I wonder if he didn't actually multiply the fishes and loaves but instead made a lot of fish flavored tofu patties in gluten free wraps.

    Is it me or does this thread remind anyone of the King of the Hill episode where Bobby becomes The Amazing Jesus?
     

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