War support 40%; Bush spins; Proof intent to "fix" intel. UK Atty Gen Q War Legality

au contraire mon frere

This pretty much proves everything. The only reason nobody is listening is because the so called "liberal media" is busy getting us the really important news. Like why some nutcase ran away before her wedding or who Tom Cruise is dating.

 

Max, there is a difference between believing Saddam had some WMD's and believing the case involving those WMD's required war.

Clinton never said that the WMD's Saddam had required a U.S. invasion of Iraq. Bush made the claim, and then attempted to the intel back up the claim. It is was a lie, and intentionally misleading.

By the way Texxxx, govt. memo's are generallly considered first hand sources, and are among the most reliable.

TJ, the election was an election, and we aren't talking about that. We are talking about the fact that GW Bush lied in order to start a war that he wanted. It wasn't a war that was a last resort, or that had to be fought to protect us. This document shows that he wanted to fight the war, and adjusted the intel to make that happen. You were lied to, and you bought it.

 

he never said it required an invasion...but he did say something had to be done...and he was on the other side of 9/11 (i know, i'll get flamed for that!) clinton was concerned about those weapons falling in the hands of terrorists, as well.

i'm not defending the administration...if they made crap up, they should be held accountable for that.

 

I also agreed before and after 9/11 that we should pursue actions in Iraq to ensure that WMD's weren't used on neighbors or end up in the hands of terrorists.

But doing something about it isn't limited to just military invasion, and occupation. If Bush had stopped shy of that, he could have easily claimed victory and would have been seen not only in the U.S., but around the world as a great statesman.

Imagine if the headlines had been 'Bush's tough stance gets Inspectors back in Iraq.' Then once those inspectors had found there were no WMD's everyone would have rested easier. It could also have been true that once Iraqis and their neighbors were aware that Saddam didn't have WMD's they could once again have attempted to revolt.

 

You know, I'm with you with regards to this (above) idea. However, the problem with Iraq (WMD lies/misinformation not withstanding) is that too many people in too many countries and in the UN were not willing to support sanction/efforts against Iraq. Thay all talked as if they were with us, but clearly the Oil for Food scandal and the Deulfer report shows that there was NOT a coalition to contain Iraq to make Saddam behave. They publicly acted like there was unity but behind the scenes Saddam was getting away with (literally) murder. No one cared because they were all taking bribes from Saddam.

I think the U.N. people who took Saddam's bribes are the ones responsible for the war. They took Saddam's money and guaranteed him that the U.S. would not really invade - that they would make sure the U.N. wouldn't allow it - so Saddam thought he had bought the right people off.

Of course, the U.S. invaded anyways (for good or evil reasons based on your political leanings) and Saddam was "screwed" by the people taking the bribes. IMO, Saddam thought he had the situation taken care of which is why he wan't ever clear on what happened to the WMDs.

Until the world can truly unite to contain evil people, the world will never be truly safe. Look at China with regard to North Korea. They don't want NK to have nukes but aren't willing to stop shipping oil to them as a bargaining chip. How can the world contain NK without the entire world (China included) uniting to show NK that having nukes is not going to get them anything but enemies?

 

This might have been a legitimate argument before the memo was released. This memo says that regardless of what the circumstances were they were going to fix the intel to support the war that they wanted.

 

Assuming the memo is real; assuming that the memo was taken in it's proper context; assuming the person who released it doesn't have an agenda; assuming it's not a person's opinion....

People who support Bush are going to find reasons to discredit the memo; people who hate Bush will believe anything that is negative toward him. The left does the same things when "memos" come out against their side. It's all spin....

 

This is all yesterday's news. Stop bringing up old shht. Iran is the new frontier. Another 6-8 weeks and we'll be in.

 

lol. The reason China doesn't want to help the USA is because the USA keeps labeling them as the bad guys and the evil guys and saying how communists are bad. Add to the fact that USA keeps interfering with them on the issue of Taiwan, and the fact that the USA is building bases all around China to surround them sure doesn't help the Sino-US relations. In fact, I'm surprised China agreed to help the US at all.

At the root of it, China wants North Korea to exist because after North Korea goes down, all the attention in Asia will be focused on China.

In a worldwide survey, people had a more favorable opinion of China than US. It's probably because China minds their own business while the US jumps into every region and tries to alter their politics (preparing flame helmet).

Ok, side argument finished.


Anyways, GWB is a liar and sadly represents a good portion or Americans. He probably believes everything he does is right even when his actions are contrary to his beliefs. He puts up a good front for being all-American (whatever that means), and he is unwilling to change his mind or even consider alternatives ideas that go against his ideals. He is willing to bend a few rules for money and/or power.

 

Proves nothing? hahahahahahaha ROFL

English government is third rate? Why did W take every chance he could get to justify his war by saying we have a coalition of England and Poland? He couldn't get enough photo-ops.

English government is legitimate as proof that their intelligence saw WMD. But now that we are seeing a different story, suddenly it is no longer legitimate.

It keeps getting funnier...or sadder.