I don't want to hear any complaints about fouls tonight

you were blown out by 40, but it was the referees fault? incredible.

i'd think if anything, its more of a fault against sura and james getting abused like red headed step children by jason terry. or how about the white flag JVG threw up by not putting in his best player in the 4th quarter?

 

this game wasn't on the refs. stop pretending guys. there were some bad calls... but we were outplayed. it blows. but it happened. No one to blame but EVERyone except yao & trace. in fact, tmac had a subpar game compared to his norm for the series.. still can't blame him though

 

I can't believe anyone would even think of the refs after this game ... absolutely incredible

 

Absolutely. This was David Stern telling JVG who's boss. Before it was a blowout, the Mavs were getting calls that turned a small lead into a big one. How many times did tmac drive and get hacked and not get a call? That Yao offensive foul, the Mike James total hackjob. Not saying we would have won, but JVG clearly knows after tonight he made a mistake.

The blatentness was incredible.

 

I think the turning point of the game was TMac's quick 3 at the begining of the 2nd half.

After a bad 1st qtr, we slowly, but surely fighted our way back to cut the Mavs' lead to 15 at the half time, then Yao scored first in the 2nd half to cut the lead to 13. After the Mavs missed the shot, TMac came down the court, launched a quick 3pt the minute he crossed the half court. I understand he was trying to make a 3 so we can cut the lead to 10 with almost 20 minutes to play, but he should have known better. This is game 7 in playoff, every possesion counts in this game, especially when you were down by 13 in the 2nd half, and you go for the high percentage shot. You got a guy inside who the Mavs could not handle, and he just scored, now you launch a quick 3 without even look at him?

To me, that was the turning point of the game. Instead of cutting the lead down to 10 or 11, the Mavs got the rebound, and scored to get the lead back to 15, the Rockets never threated again after that.

 

I don't like the calls, but I can't compliant about it after we got blow out by 40. It was a game 7 on the road, what were you expecting from the refs?

 

re-read my posts. i said it was the refs fault we were unable to get back into this game because of terrible 2nd half officiating.

the mavs shot well and the rockets played crap defense in the first half, that lead wasnt made by the refs.. but it sure as hell was maintained by the refs in the 2nd half.

reading comprehension, it's not just for GED's anymore.

 

after fouls one and three on Yao - they seemed to back off

... course, they could have just wanted the game to be over - I know I sure did !

 

Just out of curiousity, who here actually believes it was the refs fault we lost?

If my thinking is correct, not a single one of us believe that.

We did, however, see obviously poor officiating tonight that, given the circumstances of this series, cannot be ignored.

 

hrmm, brilliant insightful analysis. i decided to look you up on your ref bias theory from the 3rd quarter.

here's the play by play from espn's obviously mavs biased site:
12:00 Start of the 3rd Quarter.
11:42 Tracy McGrady missed 21 ft jumper. 44-59
11:41 Houston defensive rebound. 44-59
11:22 44-59 Dirk Nowitzki missed 14 ft two point shot.
11:19 44-59 Erick Dampier missed layup.
11:19 44-59 Erick Dampier offensive rebound.
11:19 Yao Ming defensive rebound. 44-59
11:19 44-59 Josh Howard Personal Foul. His 3rd Personal Foul.
11:07 Yao Ming made slam dunk. Assisted by Tracy McGrady. 46-59
10:40 46-61 Dirk Nowitzki made 17 ft two point shot. Assisted by Josh Howard.
10:26 Tracy McGrady missed two point shot. 46-61
10:25 46-61 Dirk Nowitzki defensive rebound.
10:10 46-61 Dirk Nowitzki missed 14 ft jumper.
10:08 Scott Padgett defensive rebound. 46-61
9:52 Yao Ming made dunk. Assisted by Tracy McGrady. 48-61
9:29 48-61 Michael Finley missed 24 ft three point jumper.
9:26 Tracy McGrady defensive rebound. 48-61
9:19 Tracy McGrady missed 25 ft three point jumper. 48-61
9:17 48-61 Dirk Nowitzki defensive rebound.
9:11 48-61 Josh Howard's dunk blocked by Yao Ming.
9:10 48-63 Erick Dampier made layup.
9:10 48-63 Erick Dampier offensive rebound.
8:49 Scott Padgett missed 24 ft three point jumper. 48-63
8:48 48-63 Jason Terry defensive rebound.
8:41 Scott Padgett Shooting Foul. His 3rd Personal Foul. 48-63
8:41 48-64 Jason Terry made Free Throw 1 of 2.
8:41 48-65 Jason Terry made Free Throw 2 of 2.
8:30 David Wesley Bad Pass 48-65
8:14 48-67 Erick Dampier made 14 ft jumper. Assisted by Dirk Nowitzki.
7:58 Scott Padgett made 24 ft three point jumper. Assisted by Tracy McGrady. 51-67
7:31 51-69 Michael Finley made 22 ft jumper. Assisted by Josh Howard.
7:16 Tracy McGrady made layup. 53-69
7:09 53-71 Josh Howard made 5 ft jumper. Assisted by Jason Terry.
6:48 Tracy McGrady Bad Pass. Stolen by Josh Howard. 53-71
6:43 53-71 Josh Howard Bad Pass. Stolen by David Wesley.
6:37 David Wesley missed layup. 53-71
6:35 53-71 Jason Terry defensive rebound.
6:31 Yao Ming Personal Foul. His 4th Personal Foul. 53-71
6:31 Dallas Full Timeout.
6:24 53-71 Michael Finley missed 13 ft jumper.
6:24 53-71 Erick Dampier offensive rebound.
6:24 Scott Padgett Shooting Foul. His 4th Personal Foul. 53-71
6:24 53-72 Erick Dampier made Free Throw 1 of 2.
6:24 53-73 Erick Dampier made Free Throw 2 of 2.
6:07 David Wesley missed 24 ft three point jumper. 53-73
6:05 53-73 Dirk Nowitzki defensive rebound.
5:50 Scott Padgett Shooting Foul. His 5th Personal Foul. 53-73
5:50 53-74 Josh Howard made Free Throw 1 of 2.
5:50 Mike James enters the game for Scott Padgett. 53-74
5:50 53-75 Josh Howard made Free Throw 2 of 2.
5:35 Mike James missed 17 ft jumper. 53-75
5:33 53-75 Josh Howard defensive rebound.
5:16 53-75 Dirk Nowitzki Bad Pass
5:05 Yao Ming's 6 ft jumper blocked by Erick Dampier. 53-75
5:05 Yao Ming offensive rebound. 53-75
5:05 53-75 Erick Dampier Personal Foul. His 3rd Personal Foul.
4:58 Bob Sura Bad Pass. Stolen by Josh Howard. 53-75
4:56 53-77 Josh Howard made driving layup.
4:56 David Wesley Shooting Foul. His 4th Personal Foul. 53-77
4:56 Houston Full Timeout.
4:56 53-78 Josh Howard made Free Throw 1 of 1.
4:41 Yao Ming made 4 ft hook shot. Assisted by Tracy McGrady. 55-78
4:41 55-78 Josh Howard Shooting Foul. His 5th Personal Foul.
4:41 55-78 Jerry Stackhouse enters the game for Josh Howard.
4:41 Yao Ming made Free Throw 1 of 1. 56-78
4:22 56-78 Jason Terry Bad Pass. Stolen by David Wesley.
4:18 Bob Sura Double Dribble 56-78
4:18 56-78 Darrell Armstrong enters the game for Erick Dampier.
4:00 56-78 Jerry Stackhouse missed layup.
3:59 Mike James defensive rebound. 56-78
3:51 Yao Ming made dunk. Assisted by Mike James. 58-78
3:31 58-80 Darrell Armstrong made 17 ft jumper.
3:17 Yao Ming missed 11 ft jumper. 58-80
3:16 58-80 Darrell Armstrong defensive rebound.
2:58 58-82 Darrell Armstrong made two point shot.
2:45 Mike James's layup blocked by Dirk Nowitzki. 58-82
2:43 58-82 Jerry Stackhouse defensive rebound.
2:31 58-84 Jason Terry made 15 ft jumper. Assisted by Michael Finley.
2:28 Houston Full Timeout.
2:28 Ryan Bowen enters the game for Yao Ming. 58-84
2:28 Jon Barry enters the game for Bob Sura. 58-84
2:15 Tracy McGrady missed 25 ft three point jumper. 58-84
2:14 58-84 Dirk Nowitzki defensive rebound.
2:00 58-86 Dirk Nowitzki made 16 ft jumper. Assisted by Michael Finley.
1:44 58-86 Darrell Armstrong Personal Foul. His 2nd Personal Foul.
1:38 Tracy McGrady made two point shot. 60-86
1:13 60-86 Jason Terry missed 24 ft three point jumper.
1:10 Jon Barry defensive rebound. 60-86
1:04 60-86 Darrell Armstrong Personal Foul. His 3rd Personal Foul.
1:04 Tracy McGrady made Free Throw 1 of 2. 61-86
1:04 61-86 Alan Henderson enters the game for Dirk Nowitzki.
1:04 Yao Ming enters the game for Ryan Bowen. 61-86
1:04 Tracy McGrady made Free Throw 2 of 2. 62-86
0:45 62-86 Jason Terry's 10 ft jumper blocked by Yao Ming.
0:42 62-86 Alan Henderson offensive rebound.
0:41 62-86 Alan Henderson Bad Pass. Stolen by Yao Ming.
0:38 Mike James's layup blocked by Darrell Armstrong. 62-86
0:36 62-86 Michael Finley defensive rebound.
0:31 Mike James Personal Foul. His 3rd Personal Foul. 62-86
0:31 Mike James Technical Foul. His 1st Technical Foul. 62-86
0:31 Mike James Technical Foul. His 2nd Technical Foul. 62-86
0:31 62-87 Jason Terry made Technical Free Throw.
0:31 62-88 Jason Terry made Technical Free Throw.
0:31 Ryan Bowen enters the game for Mike James. 62-88
0:31 Mike James ejected. 62-88
0:31 62-89 Jason Terry made Free Throw 1 of 2.
0:31 62-90 Jason Terry made Free Throw 2 of 2.
0:11 Tracy McGrady made slam dunk. 64-90
0:00 Jon Barry Shooting Foul. His 3rd Personal Foul. 64-90
0:00 64-91 Alan Henderson made Free Throw 1 of 2.
0:00 64-91 Devin Harris enters the game for Darrell Armstrong.
0:00 64-92 Alan Henderson made Free Throw 2 of 2.
0:00 David Wesley missed 62 ft three point jumper. 64-92
0:00 Houston offensive rebound. 64-92
0:00 End of the 3rd Quarter.

By my count, the calls went 5 against dallas and 6 against houston. please inform my college educated diploma toting self, how the refs influenced the rockets ability to come back?

 

didn't know i couldn't edit messages, but i meant to add that i only posted the 3rd quarter, b/c by the 4th quarter the game was obviously out of reach.

 

Cute.

Inform me when ESPN keeps track of no-calls.

Yawn.



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0:31 Mike James Technical Foul. His 1st Technical Foul. 62-86
0:31 Mike James Technical Foul. His 2nd Technical Foul. 62-86

Case in point. Rockets were attacking the basket and getting zero respect with the whistle. I didn't know Mike James was so apt to explode like that for no reason. Oh, and Tracy shoots airballs purposely..




**double edit (a new best!)

A large part of the effect officiating has doesn't have much to do with numbers. You're never going to see a gigantic discrepency in fouls called for each team in such a short time span like a single quarter. You have to take other things into account, such as who the foul was called on, when it was called (who had momentum), what kind of foul was called (was it some touch foul, or a really hard at the basket foul).. things like that matter a ton.. just like non-calls matter as I said before. I got sick of watching TNT slow mo replays of McGrady getting fouled shooting threes and jumpers with his shots going apescat all over the place and the Rockets putting up four or five shots under the hoop that never even found the rim while being mugged by three mavs. Granted you're just not going to win when you play defense like the Rockets did tonight and the Mavs shoot out every light in the building, but I think we were all expecting a much closer/better contest, and based on the 6 games prior to this, we all know that the Mavericks are not 40 points better than the Rockets.

 

Thank you!

Will and anyone else calling this a fairly called game are just playing the role of the gracious loser. The Rockets lost this game No one can argue that, but they also weren't given a legit chance to win it. A message was sent tonight....in this series. The officials are bigger than the game.

The N(othin) B(ut) A(ctors). I hate this game.

 

I put this blowout squarely on the refs. This should have been a 30 point loss, but the refs had to screw around and give the mavs all the breaks.

 

The Rockets did not lose the game because of the refs (good to get that off my chest), but that doesn't excuse lousy reffing. Apparently lousy reffing is a problem when you get beat by 2 but isn't one when you get beat by 40?

TMac gets hacked 50 million times without a call but on the other hand, when he's defending Dirk, knocks the ball away as he's going up for a shot (replay shows clearly all ball) and it's FTs for Dirk (who looked like he just got shot). Or how about Wesley's fouls. And all of those were just in the first half. Of course, we all know that the ball is a part of Dirk Nowitzki's arm.

On the other end, Yao spins and brushes Dirk's chest with his elbow, Dirk looks like he's just been sledgehammered and it's a foul... offensive foul.

Let's be honest, the Rockets played godawful, but lousy reffing is lousy reffing, whether we lose by 2 or 40.

 

What can I say ? Stern and refs fxxx you... many fans even don't know..... I have said it after the first quater last night... "Today's refs are very sly, they hacked rox from the first minute instead of waiting for the last minute" Then when the game went to trash time, they called many ridiculous fouls on mavs to make the fouls on both teams look similar. I was even screaming "oh, no, please, that's not a foul on mav. we don't want and we don't need that foul...." However I remembered before the half game, the fts of mavs is 15/17 while the fts of rox is 6/7.....not metioniong how many calls are destroying the momentum of rox run.....

I hate refs....I don't want to be fooled like idiots.

 

The main problem I had with the refs is that whenever the Rockets seemed to go on a run, to get back into the game, the Rockets would get whistled for highly questionable fouls, or receive no-calls for clear fouls by the Mavs.

These plays are called momentum breakers, and if they happen enough, they are sure to take the life out of a team and make it very hard to win. The Rockets probably lose game 7 with or without the officiating, because it was clear their legs were too tired to play defense, and the bench production was terrible.

But, imagine David trying to beat Goliath when Goliath is wearing full body armor. This is how I viewed the Rockets/Mavs series at points, because of the ludicrous officiating at times.