1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Van Gundy Challenges Officials and Says an Owner Is to Blame

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by wireonfire, May 1, 2005.

  1. JPM0016

    JPM0016 Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2003
    Messages:
    4,470
    Likes Received:
    43
  2. Almu

    Almu Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    2,387
    Likes Received:
    40
    Personally, I think that this is all BS.

    Gundy has to tell Yao to stop being such a twat and be aggressive in his play. Aggression will make the refs change the way they call the game. Yao gets no benefit of the doubt because he is always taking charges and being an overall weak player.

    Gundy is grasping at straws. We got our butts whooped and he is making excuses.

    Like I said, YAO is the key. Without him dominating like he should, we are going NOWHERE!!
     
  3. Will

    Will Clutch Crew
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    5,281
    Likes Received:
    10,221
    I'd argue that the first half of your post refutes the second, Almu. Yao does have to be more aggressive to get the benefit of the doubt. So does Van Gundy. And that's exactly what he's doing. This is the coach-media-politics equivalent of a power low-post move.
     
  4. RIET

    RIET Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    4,916
    Likes Received:
    1
    You mean like the bogus offensive foul when Yao was posting up against Dirk. Or that bogus screen call that every single player in the NBA utilizes.

    Take away 2 offensive fouls and he's no longer in foul trouble.

    Those were not "weak" plays. That's just another myth that's been brainwashed into everyone, including the officials.

    5 blocks in 1 game - enough said.
     
  5. Nick

    Nick Member

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 1999
    Messages:
    50,812
    Likes Received:
    17,193
    The greatest misconception in the media right now is that Yao is ineffective because he's not being physical enough, and not using his size to his advantage.

    If anything, he's not out there because he's "too" physical, and they notice him more because of his size.

    I posted this in other threads, but sometimes I wonder if Yao would be better served by being the size of Tim Duncan, or Olajuwon.

    Sure, he wouldn't be as good as them... or anywhere close to as athletic as them... but he'd be a little faster than he is now, he'd avoid the fronting defense w/ faster "smaller" players, and he wouldn't be so visible for the refs to call fouls on. He'd still be able to set picks, help out on block shots, and hit his mid-range jumper... which is pretty much all he does now.

    Your comments would apply to any other great player in the NBA (who gets the benefit of the whistle)... but not Yao. To the refs, Yao is a 7'6" beacon, that's shinining bright, and an eye must always be kept on him.

    Also, riddle me this... how come Yao is RARELY ineffective when he's not in foul trouble, but when he is in foul trouble, and his minutes decrease, its because he's a "soft, non-aggressive, passive, non-killer instinct player who never showed up."
     
    #105 Nick, May 2, 2005
    Last edited: May 2, 2005
  6. SamCassell

    SamCassell Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    9,496
    Likes Received:
    2,346
    This is typical coach-speak, jockeying the refs to try to get calls in the next game. Phil Jackson is a master at it.

    And I don't care what the reason for Yao's lack of production. Don't give me excuses, go out there and get the job done. If he averages 15 ppg in this series, he'll have failed. This includes JVG too, lets get Yao some help on D if he needs it, whatever it takes to keep him out of foul trouble. And get the ball to the guy when he is in the game. I'm seeing very few post-ups for Yao, not nearly enough.
     
  7. rvpals

    rvpals Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2002
    Messages:
    2,283
    Likes Received:
    1
    Van Gundy is the man for calling out the refs on New York times.

    It's about time because many of us think this nonsense ref given us are killing the Rockets and we're not getting our voice heard because fans have very little say.

    If we're a much better team than the Mavs, we won't need the refs we will just blow them out and move on with the series. When things are pretty tie throughout the game, and we got call against us in the most unfortunate time, it's like ripping your heart right out of you when I watch Yao getting hammer by Nirwtizky and only get a non-shooting foul.

    I think it's ridiculous that someone say Yao needs to be more aggressive because it seems that the refs are just put the whistle in their mouths and waiting to give Yao a foul when he tries to do a power move. There's nothing Yao can do besides going off and start hitting the Mavs be a thug about it. If being a thug will shut someone up about Yao being soft and non-aggressive, I don't think Yao would do it. I respect him for playing the game the right way which is rare these days.
     
  8. canoner2002

    canoner2002 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2002
    Messages:
    4,069
    Likes Received:
    1
    I welcome articles like this any way. Whether it is true or not, one thing is for sure: Yao is mistreated by NBA and his fans in China need to know this. The sooner they get the message the sooner Stern may see some pressure. So let's feed Sina with more munitions.

    R2K, can you first edit a 10 second clip of that Dirk flop to get Yao's 4th foul?
     
  9. rvpals

    rvpals Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2002
    Messages:
    2,283
    Likes Received:
    1
    The numbers don't lie.

    We're absolutely positively getting a raw deal from the refs in this serie.

    Yes, we could have won both gam3 and game4 if we execute better and defend better at the end, but the fact still stands we're getting screwed by the refs and the calls cost us both games.
     
  10. canoner2002

    canoner2002 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2002
    Messages:
    4,069
    Likes Received:
    1
    Nothing will help Yao when Mavs have actors snapping their heads standing behind Yao to make refs believe they are albowed. NOTHING!

    You are at refs mercy when it comes to offensive fouls and refs have been merciless so far.
     
  11. BiGGieStuFF

    BiGGieStuFF Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    5,396
    Likes Received:
    365
    refs call these last 2 games fair, and we would be blowing them out late in the 4th instead of keeping it close enough for dallas to strike late and win.

    I don't want to complain about the refs but it's so obvious.

    Even still we should be winning the games. Hopefully this will give us the focus we need to close out games even when calls are not going our way. What doesn't kill us will make us stronger right? Let's just hope those BS calls don't cost us the series.
     
  12. SamCassell

    SamCassell Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    9,496
    Likes Received:
    2,346
    If that's true, then sit Yao and play Dikembe. I know that late 4th quarter fouls we got for the moving screens were legit, our big guys have failed to set legal picks all series.

    Fortunately, I do not share your pessimism. I think Yao will be effective in game 5.
     
  13. Plowman

    Plowman Member

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 1999
    Messages:
    13,136
    Likes Received:
    14,947
    Yao and the officials need to keep him out of foul trouble.Otherwise Deke is playing too many minutes,and his performance level wanes.
     
  14. rhester

    rhester Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2001
    Messages:
    6,600
    Likes Received:
    104
    JVG is a straight shooter.
    I do not believe he is lying about anything he said including his source.

    It has to be very frustrating because Yao has not been called all year for the "moving screen" and now we are going to nail him for it?????????????????????????

    Most of Yao's foul problems during the year have been with helping defense on penatration where he bumps the person driving, or when he tries to take a charge and he is inside the circle or he gives a player body on a post up instead of just holding his hands up or going for the block.

    The refs have not called that moving screen foul for the most part all season and all teams do it. The only time it is usually called is when a player is knocked over or has a great flop move.

    I is sick that the refs obviously were looking to call that moving screen call. The other thing that is sick is that they are calling so many touch calls on Yao and he gets HAMMERED on most of his post shots.

    He gets no star respect, and the star call is a big part of the NBA.

    I only wish JVG would have called out some officials by name in the past two games and gotten a big fine.

    I am starting to love JVG because he is as straight forward as any coach I have seen. If the team is terrible he doesn't sugar coat it and if his team is getting shafted he stands up.

    JVG - rally the troops this war is not over.

    We can beat the Mavs and the refs.
     
  15. canoner2002

    canoner2002 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2002
    Messages:
    4,069
    Likes Received:
    1
    That is how Dirk got Yao's 4th foul and send him to bench 5 minutes into 3rd quarter when Yao was rolling. Are you saying we need to sit Yao through out the game?

    If the screens were illegal, so were the blocks mavs set for Tmac to slow him down off the screen but refs rarely blow a whistle.
     
  16. Tom Archer

    Tom Archer Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2000
    Messages:
    508
    Likes Received:
    0
    I said when this series started that all that stuff about TMac, Dirk and everyone else is bunk and that the only one factor would determine this series - if Yao got officiated correctly. Then again to most of us on CC.net that's no surprise. If Yao gets treated fairly, Hou is easily one of the very best in the league. Even without, we're neck and neck with a 58win team.
     
  17. SamCassell

    SamCassell Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 1999
    Messages:
    9,496
    Likes Received:
    2,346
    I was replying to a post that said there was nothing we could do about Yao getting fouls. If he's going to be in constant foul trouble, then JVG needs to be ultra-cautious and make sure Yao's still around to be a factor in the fourth quarter. Like I said, I disagree that there's nothing we can do, I'm optimistic that he can adapt.

    If the screens were illegal? They're blatant. It's one thing to do it on the rare occassion, and be "basically" stopped, but Yao's been moving far too often (Deke too). Did you see the pick Yao set to free TMac at the end of game 2? It was like watching Karl Malone take out Clyde Drexler all over again.
     
  18. Tom Archer

    Tom Archer Member

    Joined:
    Jul 20, 2000
    Messages:
    508
    Likes Received:
    0
    What the NBA doesn't want to talk about is FAN PERCEPTION. Are games fixed? Of course not.

    However, why is it that a much higher percentage of fans think that the NBA games are fixed than any other sport?

    Simple. The officiating is awful and inconsistent. As a result, fans in the heat of the moment assume that if a supposed professional makes that many mistakes that it must be intentional.

    The simple fact is that the league has a huge credibility issue that seems unwilling or unable to address.
     
  19. Darmonx

    Darmonx Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2005
    Messages:
    291
    Likes Received:
    3
    LOL...

    You know what is so funny about this?

    This series would be over by now if there was any form of fairness made by the officials.
     
  20. wakkoman

    wakkoman Member

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2003
    Messages:
    2,935
    Likes Received:
    80
    No, it wouldn't

    It boils down to execution down the stretch. We had the lead midway through the 4th quarter in both Game 3 and 4. 88-82 both games, and then it turns around. This series would be over by now if they played the way they were supposed to in order to close out the games.
     

Share This Page