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Why Do The Supreme Court and President Bush hate American Servicemen so much?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by RocketMan Tex, Apr 25, 2005.

  1. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Member

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    http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&e=3&u=/nm/20050425/ts_nm/court_iraq_prisoners_dc

    Supreme Court Rejects Appeal by 1991 POWs in Iraq

    By James Vicini

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Seventeen American prisoners of war in the 1991 Gulf War failed on Monday to get the U.S. Supreme Court to review of a ruling that threw out a nearly $1 billion judgment against Iraq, Saddam Hussein and the Iraqi Intelligence Service.

    The justices refused to review a U.S. appeals court ruling that dismissed the lawsuit by the 17 servicemen and by 37 of their immediate family members on the grounds they could not bring the case under the law at issue.

    Bush administration attorneys opposed the appeal by the POWs and argued the lawsuit had been properly dismissed. President Bush had determined such judgments "would seriously undermine funding for the essential tasks of the new Iraqi government," they said.

    The lawsuit was filed in April 2002 under a 1996 federal law that allows lawsuits by U.S. citizens against state sponsors of terrorism. The servicemen said they had been brutally tortured while held captive by Iraq during the war.

    Iraq never responded to the lawsuit. Several months after U.S.-led forces ousted Saddam, a federal judge in July 2003 awarded the plaintiffs $653 million in compensatory damages and $306 million in punitive damages.

    Two weeks after the ruling, the U.S. Justice Department sought to intervene in the case.

    Department attorneys argued the 1996 law no longer applied and they cited an emergency appropriations law adopted by Congress in April 2003 that authorized Bush to suspend sanctions against Iraq and to take it off the list of state sponsors of terrorism.

    APPEALS RULING

    The appeals court ruled the plaintiffs were not legally entitled to the judgment.

    It said the law on foreign sovereign immunity and one of its previous ruling made clear such lawsuits cannot be brought against a foreign state or a leader who acts in an official capacity.

    Attorneys for the plaintiffs appealed to the high court.

    A U.S. citizen who has been tortured by a state sponsor of terrorism can bring a case against a foreign sovereign under state or federal law or for violating international legal norms against torture, they said.

    "This cases raises important and recurring questions concerning the ability of U.S. citizens who are victims of state-sponsored terrorism to seek redress against terrorist states in federal courts," they said.

    A bipartisan group of 20 members of Congress and a group of former national security officials supported the plaintiffs.

    Acting Solicitor General Paul Clement of the Justice Department said further review of the case by the Supreme Court was unwarranted.

    "Subjecting Iraq to suit under (the 1996 law) served the United States' foreign policy interests by threatening large damage awards for the wrongs of the Hussein regime, in the immediate aftermath of the removal of that regime by military force, such judgments would hinder crucial foreign policy objectives," he said.

    The Supreme Court rejected the appeal without comment or recorded dissent.
     
  2. Sishir Chang

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    I gotta agree with the USSC here. First off while I agree with the spirit of the 1996 law I think its a waste of time in application and violates issues of sovereignity for our courts to be issuing rulings on things totally out of our jurisdiction. It contradicts the Admin's own claim that torture can be carried out as long as its outside of US jurisdiction even in US interest.

    Its also duplicates a function that is better left for the World Court (that is if the US recognized the World Court). If the US is interested in legally protecting American victims of torture in other countries they might want to rethink the current stand on the World Court.

    Another issue is since Saddam's government no longer exists is there still a defendent? I believe the new government does bear some responsibility to addressing wrongs committed under Saddam but IMO they are doing that by putting him on trial. As far as them being still liable for monetary damages that I have a harder time seeing especially since most of the people making up the new government were also oppressed under Saddam. Perhaps if the Baath party were allowed to reform and run as a legitimate party in Iraq the lawsuit could apply to them and not the new Iraqi government as a whole.
     
  3. losttexan

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    It's as simple as this:

    After the torturing that took place to Iraqi’s in Abu Grav, and to prisoners in GITMO (Cuba) the administration doesn't want any counter law
     
  4. mc mark

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    Off topic, but Jr's looking good with his new boyfriend...

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  5. RocketMan Tex

    RocketMan Tex Member

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    If he's holding hands with him before the meeting, he probably promised a BJ for a couple of beneficial turns of the old Saudi oil spigot! :D

    Restoring dignificationism to the White House...
     
  6. mc mark

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    Okay! This is just a little too creepy. Walking through the bluebonnets. I think it's love.....

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  7. robbie380

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    lol these are pretty funny pictures
     
  8. MadMax

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    in all seriousness..what's with the holding hands thing? is this something from Arab culture I'm unaware of?
     
  9. losttexan

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    I think they would make GREAT foster parents!
     
  10. Svpernaut

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    Hell, if the President gave him oral favors at least the price of my gas will go down!
     
  11. Mr. Clutch

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    That guy agreed with the Democrats on the Iraq war.
     
  12. KaiSeR SoZe

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    Why do you hate America?
     
  13. SamFisher

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    And he agrees with Bill Frist when it comes to Janet Jackson's nipple, and he thinks the Rockets will beat the Mavericks, and he agrees with your wife that you shouldn't leave the toilet seat up, etc etc etc.

    Your point? :confused:
     
  14. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Member

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    What the heck is yours?
     
  15. jo mama

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    those two are going to have to move to taxachusetts to have their gay marriage.

    why wont america accept them for who they are?

    we all know who the "dude" is in this relationship, and it aint the one wearing the dress.
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

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    actually, I don't. Who is the dude?
     
  17. SamFisher

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    That you don't have one.

    Regards.
     
  18. Mr. Clutch

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    Then don't bother responding!

    Shouldn't you be packing to go to the Himalayas?
     

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