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Traditional Playoff Chokers

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by Zboy, Apr 4, 2005.

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  1. Zboy

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    Which players are tradionally chokers when it comes to playoffs? Two players that come to my mind right away are Clifford Robinson and Shawn Marion.

    Clifford Robinson:

    Career Stats-
    FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    .439 .357 .692 1.40 3.30 4.70 2.4 1.08 1.00 1.93 3.10 15.1

    Playoff Stats-
    FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    .395 .296 .625 1.40 2.70 4.10 1.9 1.02 1.02 1.75 3.60 11.1


    Shawn Marion:

    Career Stats-
    FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    .463 .351 .839 2.60 7.10 9.70 2.1 1.85 1.20 1.69 2.60 18.2

    Playoff Stats-

    FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
    .388 .314 843 2.70 6.80 9.60 1.2 1.21 1.63 1.37 2.50 13.3
     
  2. meh

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    Peja comes to mind.

    Season: 18.6 ppg. 46.8% shooting 39.8%. 3-point shooting.

    Playoffs: 16.8 ppg. 41.3% shooting. 35.2% 3-point shooting.
     
  3. A-Train

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    Yao Ming :D
     
  4. GoatBoy

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    I don't know about traditionally, but my all-time favorite playoff choker is John Starks.
     
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    It was during the regular season when Latrell Sprewell choked PJ Carlissimo, wasn't it?

    That was one of my favorite non-playoff chokings.
     
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    Lindsey Hunter: 30.4% fg and 24.2% 3fg for the playoffs in 74 games. Not that he was/is a superstar outside the playoffs, but I'd call that a choke job regardless.
     
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    Karl Malone came up with more dramatic heat-of-the-moment chokes, but he played well during the games for the most part. Peja's FG% kills the Kings, it makes them much easier to defend when he is bricklaying.
     
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    Chris Webber can't make a big basket if the game is on the line.


    He also has problems with timeouts.
     
  9. KeepKenny

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    Hasn't Shawn Marion been to the playoffs only 2 or 3 times? One of those times was when he was a rookie, skewing his stats a bit. The sample size is not large enough to convince me that he's a playoff choker. It's like calling Yao a playoff choker for only scoring 15 a game in his one trip to the playoffs. Peja and Webber, on the other hand, have together failed in the playoffs for half a decade.
     
  10. Samar

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    Well obviously your stats are going to go down a little in the playoffs, especially if you are not a star player. Defence and pressure are exponentially higher in the playoffs.
     
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    System guys that depend on others or hustle plays to get their points like Richard Jefferson or Marion tend to see their games suffer. Playmakers usually do a little better (Bibby, Nash, Pierce, Wade, Cassell).

    Then there are the guys whose nads shrivle in the 4th quarter of a tight game: Webber and Peja are by far and away the biggest chokers in recent memory - just horror shows in the clutch. Tony Parker and Eddie Jones are the other ones that come to mind.

    Evan
     
  12. SamFisher

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    WHy is Richard Jefferson a "system guy"? :confused:

    Either way he averaged almost 20 ppg during last year's playoffs, about 1.5 over his season average.
     
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    Tough call between him and Nick Anderson.
     
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    Nick Anderson had the worse choke job ever. It's one thing to miss shots with someone in your face but another to miss 4 consecutive freebies when hitting just 1 wins the game for them.
     
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    I think both guys (Stark and Anderson) never recovered from their respective humiliating failure.
     
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    I love that about them.
     
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    I agree. Starks wasn't the same after that series and Anderson's FT% went directly into the toliet in subsequent seasons.
     
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    Charles Barkley anyone?
     
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    You have GOT to be kidding...23 points and 13 rebounds on 51% shooting in the postseason. He practically carried the Rockets in '99 against the Lakers. Just because he never won a ring doesn't make him a choker...
     
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    any PG who leads his team to the championship is not a choker. I agree about Eddie Jones.
     

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