Bold statement, want to put your money where your mouth is, how about $500 that YAO IS NOT TRADED. Email me and we'll work out the details. Of course I don't expect that I'll hear from you because most big mouths are just that BIG MOUTHS.
I pretty much agree with everything you said in your post. And for the person that started this thread (no hard feelings this is after all a rockets bbs) you can rehash it as many times as you want, (and it has) but Yao Ming is a good player already but he is very prone to foul problems and he needs to work on his stamina. You can go over it and over it, and spin any way you want but thats what it comes down to. But one thing i dont think you can sit there and say he doesnt care. He completely comes off as a person that is the opposite of that. And has been said before he comes from a diffrent enviroment and is not going to be very rude; because he knows he is in the public eye and is representing a lot of people, which is also why he cares. so carry on with your frustrations and say he will be traded or doesnt care. like i said it is a rockets bbs after all...
http://www.forbes.com/finance/lists...ssListType=Misc&uniqueId=322525&datatype=Misc From year 02-03 to 03-04 the rockets value increased 33%. the highest increase by any team that year. his marketing attractiveness is understated.
He also failed to mention that the Rockets are one of the best attendance drawing teams on the road. But I guess they are coming to see McGrady, not Yao. The Rockets have sold out their last 5 games I believe. It has nothing to do with Yao and everything to do with the front running Rockets fans out there.
Rumor about trading "Yao" From: xxxxxx xxxxxx [mailto:000@0000.com] Sent: Thursday, March 24, 2005 5:02 PM To: xxx, xxxxxxx Subject: Yao Ming Trade Looms in Houston Hi xxxxxx, it looks like your Yao will be traded soon. I do not know how reliable these rumors are, but something is simmering here in Houston. Your poor Yao so far have played with 38 (?) different teammates during his 3 short NBA years. Can you believe that he played with Glenn Rice? He likely will be playing with more, many more next season, but not in our town! Fans are saying that the Rockets are considering trading him to one of the three teams-the Grizzlies, the Lakers, or the Kings. This trade came from a recent meeting attended by Rockets General Manager Carroll Dawson, Senior Vice President Tad Brown, coach Jeff Van Gundy and asst coach Steve Clifford. The meeting was nothing but Yao, marketing, and ticket sales. During the meeting, Van Gundy told his managers that he tried everything he could on Yao, and ¡°he got nothing but repeated same old stuff--disappointment.¡± According to Van Gundy, your ¡°great wall¡± has proven to be at most an above average player who occasionally can be effective offensively, but demonstrated no desire or potential to be a dependable and dominant player that he envisions. ¡°He just scratches by and on. He offered me two good games, about 5 quarters this season!¡± Van Gundy said. ¡°Yao is difficult to coach! He just does not get it!¡± Van Gundy said of Yao for his frequent foul troubles, turnovers, and lack of intensity and desire to compete. ¡°Every time we are looking for an alternative offensive point, he is not there to help. He can be helpful during close games, especially during the fourth quarter, but he can not sustain physically that long, nor can control his foul troubles to be there.¡± ¡°How many OT games he participated this season?¡± Van Gundy asked the attendees of the meeting? Management began to question Yao¡¯s leadership abilities and dominance early to mid season this year when the team was brutally beaten when Tracy was out. The coaches have frequently expressed disappoint and fear of losing their jobs by keeping Yao next season. The Rockets had few sell-out games so far this season. Rumors say that the Rockets are quietly dealing with the Lakers, the Grizzlies, and the Kings. Some say Rockets is consider sending Yao the Lakers for Texas native Chris Mihm and Caron Butler, but others say, the Rockets wanted Lamar Odom instead of Butler. Others say the Rockets is quietly dealing with Memphis to get the troubled point guard Jason Williams, who played with the Sacramento Kings for a few seasons, and Stromile Swift. Sources also say that yao Ming may go to the Sacramento Kings. The Kings has offered the Rockets Brian Skinner and Cuttino Mobley for Yao, but the Rockets do not want Mobley. The Rockets proposed to send Yao for Mike Biby and Darius Songaila. xxxxxxx, What do you think of all this¡_
For gods sake I dont want to insult any r****ded people, but you YAO to LAKERS fans are freaking r****ded. Oh, and you suck. Do you have any idea how insulting the above trades are? My 3-year old neice could come up with better.
That e-mail was so stupefyingly idiotic my SAT scores were retroactively lowered to 1500 after reading it.
As far as Yao is concerned, this is the only question that matters to me: Can we win the champsionship with the Yao we see now? And if not, how much more does he need to improve before we will win the champsionship.
We can all agree that Yao Ming can have a great game but his main problem is inconsistency He's plays a great game 20% of the time ,OK game 30% of the time , and sub par game 50% of the time
What's worse is that it's been posted twice in this GOD AWFUL thread by two different trolls...er, posters. WTF is going on around here lately?
It's true he's not consistent. But I can't help but point out that half of his games are going to be below average. In any case, if there is any Yao stock available, I'd like to buy as much as I can. And when I sell high, I'll buy a bunch of one-way tickets to Planet Earth for some of these posters.
One the one hand, you insist his PG's ignoring Yao in offense is a good thing. One the other hand, the same person keeps whining about his offensive production. ...
And that email contains awefully curious grammatical errors that one wouldn't expect from someone sitting in on a Rockets staff meeting. Hmmm..... Methinks a dictionary and/or native English speaker is needed next time someone tries to create a bogus email about Yao being traded somewhere.
I wish people would think before they speak, or in this case, post. I always wonder how some people get in so many posts and when I look at their history, they've only been around for a month or two. It's not necessarily trolling, but at the same time, do some people really read the threads? Secondly, do people just comment for the sake of commenting? I know it's impossible to filterout the "post first, think later" stuff, but I don't understand how people don't ever think in someone else's shoes before they critisize him. Yao has no heart.... I guess if he's American it might be easier to make that assumption. Time after time, he has publicly admitted that he needs to improve. His physique has changed tremendously from the moment he was brought into the league. Yet, he's getting complaints about how he isn't buff enough, he isn't.... *gasp... Malone-like? Here's a few "assumptions." Maybe if he got to that point, the Rockets will lose everything that they chipped on in Yao. They want a fluent center with skills and a soft touch. Yao, believe me, has worked hard. Yao came from a background where people are giving respect... to their allies and to their enemies. Yao has pride, although he doesn't show it in ways that we do in the United States. How would I know? I've lived in both worlds for many years. I've spent years in the midst of Chinese people in China before I moved to the United States. Yao wants to react, he wants to complete, but what would that do: He would set an example that would be a disgrace for his country. Does any of you think about that? He might not be at our standards. Sure, I cheer when he got a technical foul the other day. Yao's teammates cheered, but Yao wasn't all smiles for the most part. He plays smart basketball, but most importantly, he is a role model. He is 23 years old, but he is matured beyond many 40-year-old men. What he does is magnified to his fans and the children of not only China, but the United States as well. His attitude to be a good sportsman is the dream of most coaches and front offices. He is not a cancer to the clubhouse, and much less, the Rockets organization. He does not allow himself to get out of control because what he does affect OTHERS. I can safely assume that 99% of us in this BBS can not say that about ourselves. He cares about what goes on around him and the actions that he takes. He's competitive, except he has other ways to show it. One does not need to pump themselves up by screaming at their opponents and showing them off; he probably believes that he can do so by reminding himself of situations, maybe ones where his country is counting on him to be better? He is, believe it or not, a valuable asset to the Rockets as a promotional marketer and as a player to bring the Rockets up as a contender if they are not already. His prescence in the court allows JVG to play tough "in-your-face" defense and allow opposition players to take the ball to the hoop. That allows the trapping defense under the backboard that if you've been watching, you would notice. Sadly, it also meant Yao gets drawn into a lot of fouls, but that is not as crucial knowing Mutumbo is there to pick up the slack in the defensive-minded ballclub. Why is that OK? ... because the Rockets have enough shooters and offensive ability to carry that slack of not having Yao play 35-40 minutes a game. The other reason why Yao seems unappealing? The offensive set has Yao run out to the top of the key and set pick and rolls every other time he is on the court. I don't know how many of you actually play that kind of basketball, but setting picks is very tiring. On top of that, you're setting picks on hard, muscular guys who brings the momentum of a freight train if necessary. But I digress.... I want to talk about the possibility of trading Yao. If I remember correctly, wasn't it part of Yao's contract deal through China with the Rockets that Yao would not get traded? I can not remember the parts of the agreement, but I'm probably wrong here. But there just isn't a possibility that the Rockets would lose out on the money that they would GAIN off of Yao's marketing ability alone. As to what Sun12 was saying, "what would we do if Yao demands the max?"!? The Rockets would be stupid to not offer that before the "demanding" part comes to show. That max money would not even compare to what the Rockets make off of him. I don't own cable, but I take every chance I get to go out to eat at places that show Rockets games. I am getting cable soon. However, have you noticed how many meals that would be this season? Before FoxSW took over pretty much completely, I could rarely see ROAD games on Channel 51 because of their marketability. TMac and Yao has taken the Rockets to a statue to where they could be the elite of the league. Now that the Rockets are starting to roll, beating the good to great teams of the league, the NBA and all that surrounds it is praising what this team has done. When you hear any analyst or managerial position NBA member spoke of the Rockets, have you ONCE heard that it's all about TMac?, or Sura?, or Wesley alone? It's always TMac and Yao. It's what JVG did with this team, it's the moves that they make. But more often than not, you'll hear Yao and TMac mentioned in the same breath because they understand the luxury of having an unselfish big man that is effective when he's on the court. No way the rockets will trade him. Finally, that e-mail. I have to admit I got something very similar to that a couple of days ago. Amazingly, it has "spam watch" alert all over it. However, as gasping as the e-mail is and how untrue it probably is, the fan who posted it probably was taken for a curve. That goes back to my "think before you post" strategy. Yet, that post does not bother me as much based on the assumption that the poster seemed genuine in the attempts to post something that he/she somewhat believed. Maybe in 100 attempts an e-mail turned out to have a good source and we'll all be happy about it. However, on the direct attempts to bash Yao or anyone else even though they are winning games like no one else, I can't understand why one would try to hurt his/her validity on stuff like this. Whether the person just wants attention or likes to argue, I believe that's just unfortunate.
Its a simply #s game. In a 7 game series: 2-yao will show up to play 2-non-factor games 3-?????? I love having yao but no one can really argue these numbers.
That's strange, I received a similar email just yesterday. From: xxxxxx xxxxxx [mailto:000@0000.com] Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 1:52 PM To: xxx, xxxxxxx Subject: Idiots Loom in Houston Hi xxxxx, It looks like you have a bunch of freakin' idiots trolling on the Clutch bbs. Why did it ever come to this? Why do people love Yao one day and hate him the next? Must they always make up unrealistic trades involving Yao? Do the morons not know that the Rockets will never, ever trade Yao? Do they not know that they have been structuring and dumping contracts in order to free up the cash to give Yao the max when his contract is up? Rumors say that Clutch is considering shutting down the board or selling it so he doesn't have to deal with all of this nonsense every day. This came after a recent meeting between Clutch, Jeff, Doctor of Dunk, Keely and Castor. During the meeting Clutch said he has tried everything to get the trolls out of here, but they continue to find their way in here. Sources say that Clutch has had offers to buy this board and make it a more commercialized site, selling NBA and other sports gear. What do you think of all of this? XXXXXXXX
this is a nice, well thought out post. thanks candlegreen for putting some of this stuff back into perspective.
Does anyone know how much money the Rockets make on Merchandising pre and post Yao? I bet that plays big into deciding on whether or not to trade Yao...if he's a cash cow, we'll be stuck with him. Gundy may not like him, but Les is a business man. If Jerry Buss will gut a team to please a punk like Kobe, imagine what Yao's pull truly must be...
