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im sorry, but the fact is TMAC shoots way TOO MUCH!

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by longrangesniper, Mar 21, 2005.

  1. Rocketeer

    Rocketeer Member

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    Ok, but my main point is that usually the Rockets can get by with him shooting that percentage. It's unusual when the whole team is struggling from the perimeter. T-mac still needs the ball for this team to be successful whether hes dishing or making shots. I agree, that tonight Yao had a high percentage and the team should have gone to him more but we havent seen too many games like this this season.
     
  2. real_egal

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    I am also against set shots for certain players, be it Yao or TMac. If you are hot, you should get more, if you are not, you should just try to contribute in different ways. I don't care whether one is a star or role player, if Barry is shooting 5-6, why not continue to give him the rock? But at difficult time, close situations, teammates trust their stars more, and that's understandable. But no way, one should have a set mind for shots to take.
     
  3. snowmt01

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    I am ok with Tmac taking 22 shots. But when his jumper is off,
    he should do something different (e.g., getting to the line, go
    inside) rather than jacking up quick 20 ft jumpers all the game.
     
  4. snowmt01

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    Tmac is a volume shooter. We need him to shot 20+ times.
    But he should adjust his game when he's cold like Siberia.
     
  5. fanwq

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    Reasonable.
    It's Yao's faults that he can't shoot as many as T. Mac because he is a passive player.
    T. Mac. has the ablity to shoot more than others in any team.Last game is his exception on shooting ptg.
     
  6. happyricky

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    Here are some interesting stats about TMac so far this season:
    http://www.nba.com/playerfile/tracy_mcgrady/game_by_game_stats.html

    Date Opp Result Min FGM FGA FG%
    Mar 20 at Timberwolves 86 94 L 38 4 22 0.181818182
    Mar 18 vs. Celtics 92 103 L 45 8 22 0.363636364
    Mar 16 vs. Trail Blazers 108 77 w 28 6 15 0.4
    Mar 14 at Warriors 97 94 W 44 9 29 0.310344828
    Mar 13 at Kings 111 96 W 41 11 23 0.47826087
    Mar 11 at Suns 127 107 W 41 16 27 0.592592593
    Mar 8 at SuperSonics 97 95 W 45 14 27 0.518518519
    Mar 6 vs. Mavericks 90 69 W 40 11 22 0.5
    Mar 2 at Wizards 98 101 L 42 9 19 0.473684211
    Mar 1 at Bulls 119 89 W 31 12 21 0.571428571
    Feb 27 vs. Jazz 92 99 L 40 9 17 0.529411765
    Feb 23 at Spurs 81 99 L 45 7 21 0.333333333
    Feb 22 vs. SuperSonics 85 87 L 40 7 18 0.388888889
    Feb 15 vs. Wizards 123 93 W 41 14 22 0.636363636
    Feb 13 vs. Trail Blazers 81 80 W 41 6 19 0.315789474
    Feb 11 at Pacers 91 83 W 40 5 16 0.3125
    Feb 9 vs. Bulls 105 92 W 38 7 17 0.411764706
    Feb 6 vs. Lakers 103 102 W 41 8 24 0.333333333
    Feb 4 at Timberwolves 119 113 W 47 11 26 0.423076923
    Feb 2 at Sixers 118 95 W 42 10 21 0.476190476
    Jan 31 at Celtics 97 94 W 40 5 14 0.357142857
    Jan 30 at Heat 95 104 L 44 10 26 0.384615385
    Jan 28 vs. Kings 111 117 L 50 11 30 0.366666667
    Jan 26 at Hornets 82 77 W 46 13 27 0.481481481
    Jan 21 at Knicks 92 91 W 44 13 27 0.481481481
    Jan 20 at Magic 108 99 W 41 8 21 0.380952381
    Jan 18 vs. Pacers 74 87 L 44 13 27 0.481481481
    Jan 17 at Grizzlies 80 99 L 41 10 19 0.526315789
    Jan 15 vs. Spurs 73 67 W 44 10 28 0.357142857
    Jan 13 vs. Nets 94 85 W 47 6 18 0.333333333
    Jan 12 at Mavericks 124 114 W 45 12 19 0.631578947
    Jan 9 at Nuggets 116 98 W 41 15 26 0.576923077
    Jan 7 at Lakers 104 111 L 47 11 24 0.458333333
    Jan 5 vs. Suns 98 108 L 42 8 25 0.32
    Jan 2 vs. Jazz 99 80 W 37 6 18 0.333333333
    Dec 31 vs. Bucks 105 90 W 47 13 24 0.541666667
    Dec 29 at Cavaliers 98 87 W 46 13 31 0.419354839
    Dec 28 at Bucks 87 115 L 34 7 19 0.368421053
    Dec 26 vs. Clippers 96 79 W 42 8 17 0.470588235
    Dec 22 vs. Bobcats 87 90 L 42 6 17 0.352941176
    Dec 20 vs. Raptors 114 102 W 44 12 21 0.571428571
    Dec 18 at Bobcats 100 101 L 45 9 30 0.3
    Dec 17 vs. Warriors 100 83 W 41 12 25 0.48
    Dec 15 vs. Hawks 92 69 W 35 9 20 0.45
    Dec 11 vs. Mavericks 78 102 L 39 6 16 0.375
    Dec 9 vs. Spurs 81 80 W 44 12 29 0.413793103
    Dec 7 vs. Hornets 89 81 W 44 7 19 0.368421053
    Dec 4 vs. Sixers 77 76 W 42 7 23 0.304347826
    Dec 2 at Mavericks 106 113 L 49 19 36 0.527777778
    Nov 30 vs. Pistons 72 93 L 41 6 12 0.5
    Nov 27 vs. Nuggets 76 82 L 45 1 11 0.090909091
    Nov 26 at Jazz 80 90 L 37 7 17 0.411764706
    Nov 23 at Kings 96 102 L 43 11 22 0.5
    Nov 21 at Trail Blazers 97 93 W 44 5 15 0.333333333
    Nov 20 at Clippers 91 86 W 45 8 23 0.347826087
    Nov 18 vs. Knicks 92 93 L 40 10 19 0.526315789
    Nov 16 at Hawks 84 88 L 40 7 20 0.35
    Nov 15 at Nets 80 69 W 38 6 15 0.4
    Nov 9 vs. Grizzlies 90 87 W 29 5 11 0.454545455
    Nov 6 vs. Kings 104 101 W 47 10 20 0.5
    Nov 5 at Grizzlies 89 81 W 42 8 19 0.421052632
    Nov 3 at Raptors 88 95 L 42 6 14 0.428571429
    Nov 2 at Pistons 79 87 L 35 6 18 0.333333333

    You can check it out by youself, but FYC I calculated the FG%. Since it is normal that good players could shoot around 40%, I only count those game when TMac shot under 37.5%. How many games then under 37.5% ? 24 games so far! How many shots did he take when he apparently was off? There were Only 2 games when his FGA was under 15, and in one of these 2 games he shot 1-11 from the field.

    So, it is not like someone said "not too many games". I don't know if 24 games is not many, what is "too many". As others have stated, there are a few ways you can contribute to the team: Jump shot, go to the hole, set plays for teammates. As a great player, TMac should be able to feel the game and determine which way is best for the team. On a nightly basis, I don't think his forced jump shots' FG% should be better than the open shot' FG% of his teammates.

    IMO, it would be better that the title of this thread should change to " .... TMAC takes jump shots way too much" .
     
  7. klkl96

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    First we all know Yao is not a good rebounder... and he has only 10 FG per game... so why do rockets need Yao? You can get a role player to do Yao's current job. However, w/o Yao, nobody thinks rockets a championship team. I think JVG should find a way to let Yao contribute more.

     
  8. jcantu

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    This thread is a perfect example of hindsight being 20/20.

    Maybe I should expect some "Why didn't we draft Rashard Lewis?" threads next.

    T-mac shoots alot of shots and should continue to shoot alot of shots because our offense flows when he is shooting. We have all seen T-mac get hot and make 5 baskets in a row many times this year. This is the type of player he is, and when we are down by 23, I want T-mac shooting as much as he wants because the only way we are going to get back in the game is him getting hot.

    As far as Yao goes, I see a lot of people quote the 55% Fg%. You must realize that Yao shoots so well because he forces no shots. Everyone wants him to shoot more (including me) but Yao shoots only in the flow of the offense. He forces absolutely no shots. This means his FG% is high, now if he started to force more shots (like we want) his FG% would most certainly drop.
    However, I think Yao is beginning to develop some unstoppable (ala Tim Duncan and Hakeem) post moves. When these are fully developed, I think this Rockets team will be true championship contenders.

    In the future, I hope to see T-mac shooting 22 times per game and Yao shooting 18-20 times per game (while playing 36-38 min.). With this combination their combined FG% would be around 46-48% on average, which would put us on par with the very best of offensive teams in this league.
     
  9. OddsOn

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    Yeah.....and get rid of that 7'-6" chinese guy too...he is only shooting like 65% from the field.....trade him for Ostertag...:D

    This is an awesome thread. Glad to see there was some deep thought going into this one. T-Mac and Yao are our best shooters and SHOULD take most of the shots.
     
  10. piggy

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    I agree with this. If it's true, then I have to give him credit for playing through discomfort, when most players sit two weeks for a hangnail.
     
  11. roxgirl

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    I look at it very simply.

    Yao is getting his shots, when he gets fouled, they don't count that as a shot attempt do they? This was discussed in another thread, look at his FTA's as well.

    T-Mac *is* the #1 offensive option *most* of the time. Great scorers find a way to score, whether it be getting to the FT line or shooting their way out of a slump.

    And let's face it, for the MOST part, even if he's not shooting well, he'll hit the big shots for us or at least get to the line.

    Here's a crazy idea...instead of complaining so much when they lose, just support the team that you showed so much love for not THREE games ago when they were winning.
     
  12. hulk

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    How funny is this? People can always find excuses for their super stars.
    T-Mac is a human and he makes mistakes. The most important thing for him is to recognize and correct these mistakes. In my mind, he caught up with Sam Cassel last game and Weisbrod last week. Smart players adapt in each game. When he is hot, of course he should keep shooting. When he is ice cold (as every player will have), he should stop shooting long jumpers. Try to drive more and get to the free-throw line. After shooting a few free-throws, people usually can get the shooting touch back. (This is my own experience. ) Of course, he should pass more if he could NOT get his shooting touch back. In addition, he should always defend no matter how bad he is shooting.
     
  13. pgabriel

    pgabriel Educated Negro

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    Thanks for posting that.


    Some of you guys arguing that Tracy's shooting is Okay and he is just in a slump are way off. Tracy has not shot well this season. The stats show that, he's having one of the worst shooting seasons of his career going off of percentages.

    The key is the Rockets haven't been hurt by his shooting because the team is so well-balanced. And I believe Tracy has to continue to get his shots because that is the stregnth of his game.
     
  14. insane man

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    when tmac isn't hitting shots he needs to ddrive. he doesn't do that. thats my problem. i dont mind him taking the shots but take higher percentage ones. drive in. no one can stop him. get fouled or get layups.
     
  15. tmac

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    I think TMac has been playing dinged up for a while, and he's not going to get better until the offseason. So it's easy for us to tell him he has to drive, but from what I've seen, he does on some nights and not on others. To me, that shows that he's banged up.

    As far as the number of shots, I don't know what else you expect a guy who's one of the three best scorers in the league to do. None of us has ever been one of the two or three greatest scorers on the planet, so I don't know if I can put myself in that mindset. But I'm guessing that TMac thinks, "If one goes in, I'll catch on fire." And that's OK with me.
     
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    I read some chinese news this morning. tmac SAID yao NEED SHOOT MORE. and yao said " I think I got enough touch"
     
  17. snowmt01

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    you are taking words out of context. Yao said he had many
    touches last game because he went to the line 16 times.
     
  18. zhao1109

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    well, same meaning, right? Also he said he MISSED too many FT:D
     
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    Hopefully Tmac will teach Yao to pass less and shoot more.
     

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