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Rockets not contender yet...

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by NewYorker, Mar 18, 2005.

  1. Invisible Fan

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    My mistake, you did take a position in that Contender thread. You also made some bold comments.

     
  2. Samar

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    I doubt we are good enough to win the championship this year, but after a 6 game streak ur gona b!itch about one loss. My god, even jordan in his 72 win season still had 10 losses. I hate how everyone gets pissed after just one loss. We had an off night...our starting PF is injured......DUMBA$$
     
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  3. MadGame2002

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    Whoever started this thread , in the words of T mac, youre an "a-hole."
    This thread is a perfect example of rocket fan bandwagon.
    I'de rather have off nights during regular season games. In fact its almost good for the team to not be over confident.
    Again i'de like to say that this proves yet again that rocket fans are fair weather.
    Hmm, I wonder why they play better on the road?
     
  4. insane man

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    for the record just because you dont think your team can win it all doesn't mean its not your team.

    you can be the biggest fan but not so optimistic.
     
  5. LegendZ3

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    Ok New Yorker. Let me just pretend that you are not the guy who have lost all his credibilities by calling Yao a bust in his rookie season, let me just pretend that you are just one of many doubters on the board.

    Let me ask you, what makes you think we are not a contender?

    Because the winning record?
    Rockets are now the 5th seed in the west, 13 games above .500, and winning 70% of their games since Januray.

    Because the performance against the top teams?
    We have stand toe to toe with the top teams in the NBA
    2-2 against the Mavs
    2-1 against the Spurs
    1-1 against the Sonics
    1-1 against the Suns

    Because we don't have a dominate big man?
    There are only 12 players in the league is averaging more than 18 and 8, and Yao is one of them.

    Because we don't have a good guard?
    T-Mac is averaging 25.6ppg, 6.2rpg, and 5.9apg

    Because we don't play good offense?
    The Rockets is averaging almost 97 ppg since Januray. We are also 9th in the league in 3PT%.

    Because we don't play good defence?
    We are 4th in the league in opponent points allowed. 3rd in opponent FG%, and 1st in opponent points in the paint.

    So, tell me, what is it makes you think that we are not a "contender"? Ask any team in the league, they will tell you they would not like to face the Rockets in the first round in the playoffs. If that still doesn't make us a contender, I don't know what will.
     
  6. Faos

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    I think Richard Justice had New Yorker in mind when he wrote this in his column today:

    http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/sports/3092964

     
  7. bigbodymoe

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    what a weak move. if you are gonna make your point make it regardless of situation. dont wait till they lose a game and then come out and say something. can we say PUNK :rolleyes:
     
  8. micah1j

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    NewYorker got owned!! Now please lock this troll thread.
     
  9. perpetuity

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    TD played 30 min and got 6 rebounds, a bust as well???

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore?gid=2005031824

     
  10. Xerobull

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    Ugh, it bugs the HELL out of me when I hear or see crap like this. It is so easy to take the pesimistic route and be wrong, and celebrate along with everyone else. As the old saying goes, 'it's easer to apologize than to ask permission.' That's what this boils down to. Be true or back it up.

    J
     
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    New Yorker if you bothered to actually look at the big picture you would know it isn't just a 6 game winning streak. This team has a winning percentage of between .700 and .800 since December. How about looking at that. Last I checked, Boston hasn't been tearing it up like that for several months.
     
  12. myco

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    So, here we have an Ex-Houstonian who is ashamed that he was in fact at one time a Houstonian, who now identifies himself as a New Yorker and has ridiculed Houstonians for unrealistic expections, called fans here homers (unlike New York fans apparently) and then thinks fans here personalize everything.

    Btw, NewYorker, I think it is disingenuous of you to say you weren't wrong about Yao by saying he "might" have been a bust. He also might be a hall of famer, but you certainly didn't choose to focus on that. In fact, after 3 years in which Yao has become, IMO, more than just a solid player, you still think he "might" be a bust, but now you rework your definition of a bust to getting injured. So really, let's face it, you really were wrong about Yao. He as developed in to a good player and is still continuing that development. He didn't flounder like you suggested (or "might" have suggested). And even if he gets injured, I would still think you're wrong classifyng him as a bust, but hey, go ahead and try to leave yourself as many outs as possible.
     
  13. Deckard

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    You're pretty free with your "facts," NewYorker. I've heard more from you regarding Ralph as a "bust" than I have from just about anyone around here, recently. I thought you said you'd been following the Rocks for 20 years? Then you should have seen Ralph play, right? Perhaps you remember this blurb from NBA's Greatest Moments, courtesy of http://www.nba.com/history.
    They had this to say:

    NBA's Greatest Moments
    Sampson Stuns the Lakers


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    Ralph Sampson averaged 18.9 points and 11.1 rebounds in 1985-86

    Perhaps the most famous Twin Towers in NBA history played for the Houston Rockets in the 1980s, when 7-0 Hakeem Olajuwon paired with 7-4 Ralph Sampson on the Rockets' front line. Both were All-Stars, and in 1986 they led Houston to a berth in the NBA Finals.

    En route to the Finals, the Rockets beat Sacramento and Denver before meeting the defending champion Los Angeles Lakers in the Western Conference Finals.

    Houston came into the series as a distinct underdog to a Laker team led by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Magic Johnson and James Worthy. Yet Los Angeles was able to take only one game from the surprising Rockets.

    Los Angeles attempted to extend the series with a strong effort in Game 5. But with the score tied in the closing seconds, Sampson got the ball to the left of the lane and nailed a jumper at the buzzer for a 114-112 victory that eliminated the Lakers 4-1.

    Thus the Lakers' four-year dominance of the Western Conference was ended. But Houston was no match for the Boston Celtics in the NBA Finals, bowing in six games.


    No word about being a bust here. And they didn't mention Sampson's averages before he was injured... 21/11/2, and almost 3 assists, during his first 3 years. (courtesy of ClutchFans... http://www.clutchfans.net/players_historical.cfm) Or that he was Rookie of the Year in '84 (only Rocket to have the honor, until Francis shared his with Elton Brand), or that Ralph was All Star MVP in '85 (only Rocket ever to have the honor), and went to the Finals in '86, where he provided the heroics mentioned in the article I quoted.

    I'm reminded that we shouldn't underestimate the potential of the current Rockets team. Ralph's team in '85/'86 was dismissed by the "pundits" before the playoffs began, and the pundits ended up eating their words left and right. You just never know... it's why they play the games.

    Oh, and I had quite a different view of Yao's future than you did in the thread Clutch quoted... the same one where you had your foot in your mouth, so far that I bet you wish you had changed your thong. As for comparing Ralph and Yao, as you know, having watched the Rockets for so long, the two would have a hard time sharing anything physically, except for height. Yao hasn't matched Sampson's numbers, pre-injury, but he didn't spend 4 years in a top college program, either. As for luck with the "i" word, we'll have to leave that to Fate. I'm betting on Yao.
     
  14. Invisible Fan

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    New Yorker went back into hibernation.
     
  15. wrath_of_khan

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    I know this is off-topic, but ...

    What a lousy description of that shot! To call it just "a jumper" doesn't even come close to describing how crazy a game-winner that was!

    People who lived that shot know what I'm talking about.
     
  16. Deckard

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    Too true. If you were like me, you almost banged the ceiling with your head jumping up and down, going absolutely nuts. That was a terrible description of The Shot, for sure.
     
  17. joolut

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    Semantics
     
  18. The_Yoyo

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    you know what irritates me about that series? i wasnt really old enough to understand and remember basketball then but i've seen the game on classic and have dug in and studied the history of the rockets.

    but back to the point

    everytime you see 'the shot' on espn and all my laker friends (i live in la) keep saying how lucky the rockets were to make the finals that year. yes, the shot was lucky but for some reason everyone in la thinks that was game 7 of the series. i have to keep telling them it was freaking game 5. so while the shot was lucky the series outcome had nothing to do with luck
     
  19. m004378

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    Where is new yorker now? wow, i can see that the rox fans are really united!

    :)
     
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    heehee, xerobull, i like your signature....:D
     

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