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Hillary Receives 8 Million Dollar Book Deal--BBS is Silent

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by TheFreak, Dec 17, 2000.

  1. TheFreak

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    <A HREF="http://foxnews.com/elections/121500/hillary.sml" TARGET=_blank>
    Hillary to Receive $8 Million for Memoir</A>

    "The Clinton book set off a fierce bidding war this week in publishing circles, and has already brought criticism from watchdog groups that have questioned the deal's ethics. They compared the advance to the $4.5 million book deal signed by former Rep. Newt Gingrich, R-Ga., in 1994, when he was the incoming House speaker.

    Controversy over the Gingrich deal prompted the House to change its ethics rules and ban members from accepting book advances, though they may receive sales royalties.
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  2. DEANBCURTIS

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  3. mrpaige

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    Two things: Ms. Clinton is not yet a member of the Senate and her payment will come before she's sworn in, and she likely would've gotten the same size book deal even had she not won a Senate seat (whereas Newt wouldn't have gotten a book deal had he not been in the House and pushed the Contract with America through).

    So to me, it's not exactly the same. It's a little shady, I suppose, but I just can't work up the moral outrage to care. It is odd, though, that all those folks who were so outraged by Newt's deal are silent about Hillary's deal. But that's the way it works. Politicians are only outraged about the deals made on the other side of the aisle.

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  4. BrianKagy

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    I don't care either way. Just as there was nothing unethical about Speaker Gingrich's book deal, there's nothing unethical about Hillary's deal.

    Two wrongs don't make a right. Sleazy politics are nothing new for the Democrats, so holding a grudge against them over the Gingrich deal makes us look both naive and vindictive.
     
  5. Rocketman95

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    Riiiight. Democrats are the only sleazy politicians, whatever.


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  6. RocketMan Tex

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    Sleazy politics are nothing new, period. It doesn't matter what party you belong to. Just look at how your boy Dubya "won" the presidency and you just might understand that sleazy politics are distributed evenly across party lines within the two-party system. Then again...


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  7. BrianKagy

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    Wow, here I am on the left's side for once-- defending SENATOR Hillary's right to sign the book deal-- and you guys are acting like I just pissed on your grandmother's grave.

    Very mature.
     
  8. RocketMan Tex

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    About as mature as the backhanded sarcasm of your original post, MISTER Administrator!

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  9. Rocketman95

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    Right Brian. Calling Democrats sleazy, that's maturity at its best.

    I personally do have a problem with the deal. I don't think Congressmen should be able to take that kind of deal, it could possibly cause a conflict of interest.

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  10. Rocketman95

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    Dole made a big deal out of it when he kept calling President Clinton "President Clinton", then following that up with, "See, I call you President even though you didn't call President Bush 'President' in your debates".

    I guess he was just trying to make something out of nothing.


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  11. Jeff

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    I was about to defend BK on this one. So what if he said Democrats were using sleazy politics. THEY ARE!!! So are Republicans. That would be like you guys saying, "typical Republican" but failing to mention a Democrat that did something similar.

    Let's be honest. Everyone here tries to defend his/her own interests. There isn't anything wrong with that. What BK said about Dems might have been cheesily worded, but I think we all have learned to accept what he says with regard to Dems with a grain of salt. It isn't like it would be the first time he's taken a shot at them!

    And who cares if he refers to Hillary as Senator or not and Newt as Speaker?

    Here, I'll fix it:

    Democratic politicians are sleazy.
    Republican politicians are sleazy.
    Hilary is a senator-elect.
    Newt is the former speaker of the house.

    That about covers it. [​IMG]

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  12. dc sports

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    The House of Representatives rule against book deals doesn't apply to the Senate. It may even be difficult to enforce within the House, since it's an ethics rule and not a law. I don't think they would ever impeach a representative for writing a book, and otherwise all they can do is censure them.

    Personally, I don't see anything wrong with this. a) It lets people know what their representatives are thinking. b) It gives a legal way for our elected officials to make a little extra cash if they want to -- much better than selling out the Lincoln Bedroom, etc.

    Of course, as a taxpayer and Ms. Clinton's 'employer', I would expect her to clearly show that she isn't working on her book 'on the clock', using Senate notepads etc., but that hasn't been the issue.

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  13. Clutch

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    Wow, can't believe you tried to defend that. Must be in a pissy mood...

    Technically Hillary is a Senator-elect, and Hillary has had enough titles where most people just refer to her as "Hillary" and very little else is needed in the way of communication. To imply Kagy was disrespecting her by not putting Senator before her name is like saying anyone in here is a schmuck for not calling George W. Bush President-elect, but rather "President" Bush.

    False and stupid.

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  14. Rocketman95

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    Being called sleazy and immature by a sleazy immature Republican doesn't quite help my mood. [​IMG]

    I don't think Kagy was meaning any disrespect towards Senator-elect Clinton, I was just pointing out that people always try to make something out of nothing.

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  15. BrianKagy

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    In this case, TheFreak wanted to know why the Republicans weren't attacking SENATOR Hillary's book deal.

    I said there was nothing wrong with it. The sleazy way the Democrats smeared Gingrich for his book deal was not an appropriate response for the Republicans in this case.

    I didn't claim the GOP never did anything sleazy. I didn't claim all Democrats were always sleazy. I just called their behavior towards Gingrich's deal "sleazy" because it was.

    The nature of that behavior must be something you guys are really, really ashamed of to have jumped on that characterization so quickly.

    Damn, would you guys have been happier if I'd said "YEAH LET'S GET THAT b****! SURE, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING WRONG WITH IT, BUT ****, POLITICS IS WAR!"

    Would you be happier if I cut and pasted the Drudge Report's scoop on Hillary's wining and dining of Simon and Schuster?

    OK, I will.

    From the Drudge Report:

    X X X X X

    HILLARY WINED AND DINED PUBLISHER AT WHITE HOUSE; TAXPAYERS PICKED UP TAB

    New York Sen.-elect Hillary Rodham Clinton agreed Friday to accept an $8 million book deal with publisher SIMON & SCHUSTER after wining and dining publishing executives at the White House -- and the taxpayers picked up the tab!

    The first lady personally invited SIMON & SCHUSTER executives to an official State Dinner honoring Indian Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee.

    Hillary's SIMON & SCHUSTER editor Sydny Minor was given a seat at the official dinner in September, along with S&S president and publisher Carolyn Reidy. Both brought dates to the dinner and dined on feast of wild Copper River salmon with red kuri squash and rice bean ragout for a main course. The dessert menu included mango and banner lotus, litchis and raspberry sauce, honey almond squares and chocolate coconut bars. Each setting at the Indian dinner was estimated to cost taxpayers $325.

    A SIMON & SCHUSTER spokesman confirmed Minor and Reidy were invited guests to the State Dinner. But the company strongly denied any suggestion that Hillary's State Dinner gift -- and the $8 million book deal awarded three months later -- presented any conflict.

    X X X X X

    I guess it's not enough that I'm willing to side with the Democrats on an issue. I must likewise refrain from accurately characterizing any of their related behavior if it paints the Democrats in an unflattering light.

    I so love the spirit of bipartisanship.

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  16. RocketMan Tex

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    Ah yes, the Drudge Report, a true bastion of fair and impartial journalism. Just like Slate.com! [​IMG] I told ya the sleaze cuts both ways!

    BK, it looks to me like, judging from TheFreak's title of this thread, that he was wondering why people on this BBS weren't going bonkers over Hillary's book deal, not why Republicans weren't going bonkers.

    Wait a minute...does that mean this is a "Republican" BBS??? [​IMG]

    In the words of an anonymous youngster to Shoeless Joe Jackson outside of a courthouse in Chicago in 1920....

    "SAY IT AIN'T SO, JOE!!!!"

    I guess I'd better head over to ClutchCityForRegisteredIndependents.Net! [​IMG]


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  17. Transmission

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    Actually, Rush has been attacking Senator Hillary's book deal all day long.
     
  18. Clutch

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    Actually he was posting his viewpoint and pointing out the double standard of some (thus, "BBS is silent" -- implying it is being ignored, compared to Newt's deal. Oh sorry, SPEAKER Newt). Regardless of what some may think, democrats are very much the majority on this board (atleast those who post)

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  19. RocketMan Tex

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    I can't remember what the reaction was on this board when Newt, or Speaker Newt, or Former Speaker Newt's book deal came out.

    Is it true that the majority of posters on this BBS are Democrats? If so, could this board then be construed as a snapshot of the country? You know, the Republican minority (administrators) holding the reins of power over the Democratic majority (the majority of the posters). This was not meant as a flame or an insult, just a minor daytime hallucination!

    Actually, although I sometimes enjoy and participate in the political threads here (and sometimes not), I prefer to think of us in the light of the one thing that ties us together regardless of ideology...we are all Rockets fans!!!

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  20. Clutch

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    Hmm, you nailed us. Kagy and I planned on ruling the board with a Republican iron fist, deleting any and all accounts that mentioned Gore in a positive light and did not refer to GW as President Bush, so in order to appease the masses, we appointed such liberals/independents as Will and Jeff, and though you may not know it, "Administrator" is left of left.

    The Clutchpreme Court usually goes 3-2 against the GOP.

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