I pulled this from fox.com During the Islamic holy month of Ramadan, Muslims are required to fast during daylight hours. The sacrifice can be difficult for Bulls guard Khalid El-Amin, who grew up in the Muslim faith. Before a 7 p.m. game, El-Amin would have to schedule a pre-game meal at around 5:30 if he waited until sundown. "During the game days, I just fast half-days," El-Amin said. "During non-game days, I fast all day. If you can't fast, you should make it up after the month is over. The number of days you didn't fast, you should make it up after that." ... It was my understanding that Muslims could not eat from sunrise to sunset, not simply "make it up" if they had to eat during that "spiritual" time. Also, if Khalid grew up a Muslim, what was he doing smoking blunts in college?? Not exactly what I would call devout Muslim behavior. ------------------ Five to one baby, one in five...no one here gets, out alive.
From my knowledge, if you are sick or otherwise legitimately unable to fast during Ramadan, you are required to make up for those days and fast after Eid (the day of celebration after Ramadan). I'm not sure being a professional athlete exempts one from fasting during the entire day, but I'm sure Khalid has looked into it. But then, I don't see much point for fasting for half-a-day, as it doesn't really count as a day of fasting. As for El Amin's drug charge, I have no idea. Just because a man fasts, does not mean he is religious. I know a few people who fast regularly during Ramadan, but otherwise do not follow the religion closely. Or maybe, like Hakeem before him, he re-discovered his Muslim faith over the past two years. Azim da Dream ------------------ We don't live for the destination. We live for the journey. http://www.clutchtown.com [This message has been edited by Azim da Dream (edited December 12, 2000).]
It is also possible that he is religious about it, but did it anyway knowing it was wrong. Believing you are supposed to do a certain thing and actually doing it are not always the same thing. I'd be careful what I derived about his religious convictions from his behavior. ------------------ RealGM Rockets Draft Obligations Summary http://www.gaffordstudios.cjb.net/
ive never personally come across justification for a "half day" fast. thats usually what little kids do so they can learn about it. but yeah, if you are sick or something, you can make it up later. i dont know if playing basketball counts though. i dont tihnk it does, otherwise im sure hakeem and shareef and them would be doing it too. ------------------ people who are related dont have to look alike. my mom and dad dont resemble each other at all
I sometimes skip fasting when I have a game so that I don't dehydrate and faint. I think that's an option as long as you make it up after Ramadan's over. ------------------ Francis out top, 9 seconds on the clock, he gives a no look pass to Cuttino Mobley, 4 seconds left, Mobley passes to an open Langhi in the corner with 1 second left! Langhi at the buzzer.......YES!!! How Sweet It Is!!
You can make up the fasting only in dire circumstances. Just because one is a Muslim doesnt mean he is definitely not going to smoke or drink. I have plenty of Muslims friends who drink and smoke regularly. Do all Christians stictly adhere to the Ten Commandments? I dont think so. So there are also some Muslims that dont follow all the rules of Islam. ------------------ SUCK POLICE!!!!!! To point out individuals or teams that have managed to reach the pinnacle of SUCKINESS!!!!! ----- THE WASHINGTON SUCKSKINS!!!!!!! My Cowboys might SUCK, but its nice to know that we can always rely on the SUCKSKINS to be our B**CH!!!!
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Being a Muslim I feel I have to post Fasting during Ramadan is a "loose obligation", you are sick or menstrating (women) you are not required to make the fast. While fasting you may break it for whatever reason. The act of fasting is not much more as important as the mere intent, with that said i find no problem with him breaking it for a basketball game. The guidlines of the fast also go as far as to say that you are obligated to break the fast if you are in danger of harming yourself and I strongly agree that fasting while playing competitive basketball definately could harm you. My question to you, RocketsPimp and Jamma34, is "how can you even judge someone without a basis that you are educated in? Are you Muslim? If not I think you are stepping into the realm of political incorrectness by questioning someone's religious convictions. I don't question my christian friends every time they eat swine even though it says in the Bible that it is prohibited. As far as the smoking of weed goes: The Arabs during the time of Muhammed enjoyed the smoking of hasheesh (a member of the cannibus family, like mar1juana) and drinking alcohol. When they converted to Islam there was not an existing revelation that prohibited these practices. Years later the priviledge of the consumption of alcohol was revoked because some of the muslims were showing up late for prayer. However Alcohol today remains the ONLY "substance" prohibited by islam (food items excluded). The guidlines for drug usage go as follows: "any substances ingested or assumed into the body by any means are prohibited IF they interfere with the person's ability to practice Islam (loosely translated from a Quranic law book I have)" In my opinion mar1juana will not interfere with anyone's ability to practice Islam. Therefore I believe Khalid's actions are justified as there are Muslim countries today that allow the use of cannibus. --Rocketman ------------------
My question to you, RocketsPimp and Jamma34, is "how can you even judge someone without a basis that you are educated in? Are you Muslim? If not I think you are stepping into the realm of political incorrectness by questioning someone's religious convictions. I don't question my christian friends every time they eat swine even though it says in the Bible that it is prohibited. rocketman, i AM muslim. in fact, i consider myself to be pretty well educated on islam as well. you are right, about not having to fast while traveling, and menstruating women also are not required. but other than that, it can only be broken in time of sickness or something where you really need to. i am by no means 'judging' khalid el amin, im just saying what islam says about these issues. but as for smoking weed, my friend, you are mistaken. alcohol is forbidden by name, but ALL things with any kind of "intoxicating" effect are also banned. this would include drugs, as they change your ability to act in a normal and sober state of mind. in fact, some people even take this as far as to include current forms of music. im not questioning khalid el amins islam in any way. im not trying to pass judgement. obviously, there will be different points of views on these issues. but all the scholars are almost unanimous on these things that ive just mentioned. anyway, email me if you wanna talk more on this assalam a laikum ------------------ people who are related dont have to look alike. my mom and dad dont resemble each other at all
you have to abide by the laws of the country in which you reside as long as it doesnt hinder your ability to practice islam. example, the speed limit is 65, we are to follow that. us law says you gotta file an income tax return, islamic law doesnt say anything about that, but since we have to follow the laws of the coutry we live in, we are bound to correctly and legally file a tax return. hope that helps. this is also another reason why smoking mar1juana is prohibited. since us law forbids even the possession of it, as well the consumption, islamically, we are bound to follow that law and keep away from it. ------------------ people who are related dont have to look alike. my mom and dad dont resemble each other at all [This message has been edited by jamma34 (edited December 13, 2000).]
I think there can be the perception at times that different religious beliefs create different, more intense devotion to said beliefs. There are varying degrees of belief in every faith. Of course, each person has to decide to what degree they will follow the practices of his/her own religion. Not all Buddhists are vegetarians - in fact, the Dhali Lama is not. Not all Hindus practice yoga. Just like many here may have grown up going to church on Sundays but not exactly practicing their Christian faith every day of the week, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. probably exercise their beliefs in a similar fashion. When those of us who do not practice a particular religion see it, we see only the most devoted because that is what you study to better understand what is behind it. One of the most influential Buddhists in this century was Chogyam Trungpa, the father of Shambhala, an offshoot of traditional Buddhism. While many may have been influenced by his book, "Shambhala: The Sacred Path of the Warrior," they may not have known that he was essentially an alcoholic who abused drugs and slept around a lot. He died young as a result of his excessive living. His teachings are some of the most inspired and wonderful in all of Buddhism especially for us westerners who don't really want to shave our heads and put on the robes. However, he had problems like any human. The essence of religious beliefs is what you do with them and how you live your life. The degree of that living varies widely from practitioner to practitioner. Just like it is a broad generalization to say that all Christians are fundamentalist or all Muslims are terrorists, it makes sense to say that it would be unfair to characterize anyone's feelings surrounding their personal religious beliefs as less devout than anyone else. We all have to follow the path laid out for ourselves. My path doesn't work for everyone and I wouldn't expect anyone else to follow it just because I do. The important part is we are doing the best we can right now. As a wise person once said, "In the past I did the best I could. When I knew better, I did better." ------------------ Mmmmmmm. Sacrelicious.
Glad to hear it Jamma34, usalamuailkum. I want to point one thing out... people here seem to have a misunderstanding of "Islamic Law". The laws for fasting and practicing Islam fall under "Quranic Law" because they are found in the Quran. Islamic law is different. Islamic law is the foundation of a government system best seen in contemporary Iran. The tenets of Islamic Law are almost totally free from the Quranic Law and some scholars believe it to be an almost carbon copy of the US Constitutional law. Islamic Law was developed under the Caliphate of Umar and was made to rule all people, not just muslims, fairly and through its instatement slavery was abolished, women attained equal rights, and non-muslims were no longer chastised. However the purity of "Islamic Law" has eroded through the integration of MISINTERPRETED Quranic laws by the Saudi's. Well thats my speel on Islamic Law. I like the way this thread is moving, its very good. to everyone, masalaama. --Rocketman ------------------
Rocketman/jamma34 Out of curiosity, regardless of whether or not smoking mar1juana is prohibited by Islamic law, is there anything in Islamic law which insists that Muslims abide by man-made (for lack of a better term) law? In other words is it bad to do something which is permissable under Islamic law but against the law of the United States? Thanks ------------------
