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Black Crowes announce extended tour, Marc Ford to rejoin band...

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout' started by BrianKagy, Mar 4, 2005.

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  1. BrianKagy

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    Good news, good news. Aside from not getting Steve Gorman, this is almost perfect.

    They're playing Houston on April 21st. I may have to make the drive down for that one.
     
  2. Rocketman95

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    Any idea when they go on-sale? I will be there for sure.

    I'll have to buy you a beer or three for the CDs!
     
  3. Toast

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    Thanks for the scoop!
     
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    Ford, wasn't he the the guitarist on their first album?

    My copy of "Southern Harmony" finally gave up the ghost two months ago, one of the oldest CDs I have, bought it in the last months of sixth grade.
     
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    what RM said. me and a couple of buddies will be heading to the Panic show on the 30th, so it looks lile im in for a kick-ass week. awesome news.

    i owe you some drinks for sure.
     
  6. Rocketman95

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    Where's the WP show?
     
  7. BrianKagy

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    Make that a soda or three and you're on.

    Re: the question about Marc Ford, he joined the band in late 1991, replacing Jeff Cease who played much of the lead guitar on the group's first album, "Shake Your Moneymaker". I say "most" because the bit that most people are most familiar with-- the solo on "Hard to Handle"-- was recorded by Brendan O'Brien, who helped produce the record.

    The fact that the group felt the need to bring in someone else to handle the solo on their most important single should tell you all you need to know about Cease's abilities. The "Behind the Music" special originally alluded to a cocaine habit as the reason for Cease's removal; however, that was pulled from later broadcasts because it wasn't true. The Crowes hit it big and Cease wasn't a good enough guitar player to play lead in a multi-platinum blues-rock band, so they cut him.

    Ford was an old friend of Chris Robinson's and was between gigs, so they brought him on and he really took the songs to another level. SYMM is a good album, but it sounds sophomoric compared to the maturity of Southern Harmony and Amorica, and Ford's contributions are a huge part of that. Even more importantly, he just tore up the stage in concert.

    Anyway, there is still a lot of controversy regarding Ford's departure from the band. The Robinson brothers insist that by the end of the 1997 Further tour, Ford's drug problem was so bad that he was playing out of key, even playing the wrong songs. Rich Robinson has claimed that it was so bad, they had to turn him off in the mix. Of course, the Further shows were recorded off of soundboard and no tape of Marc playing horribly or being turned off in the mix exists. The more cynical among us think that it was some combination of Marc wanting songwriting credits (all songs on Crowes records are credited to Rich and Chris) or more money, or, more likely, pressure from the record label to make some changes because of the band's plummeting album sales and increasingly eclectic themes.

    I mean, you've heard "The Band"-- does it remind you of "Three Snakes" or what? Three Snakes is brilliant but it sold barely 300,000 copies and the last thing the record label wanted was another album of extremely limited appeal. The Crowes have always released track #2 as their first single, meaning "Smile" would have been the first single off of The Band, circa 1997. Was that going to climb the charts against Sugar Ray or bull**** like that? Doubtful. Usually, track #3 is the 2nd single. That means "Paint an 8" would have been the follow-up. If you didn't absolutely love the Crowes, would you have any interest in teh album at that point?

    So no one really knows why Marc got fired but it seems clear that it had something to do with declining sales and increasingly esoteric songs. What we do know is that the Crowes' two post-Ford albums, "By Your Side" and "Lions", were poorly executed, poorly engineered, and generally lifeless and the band is fortunate to be getting a second chance given the way they dive-bombed their careers from 1998 on.

    Personally I am encouraged. I didn't think much of anything Chris and Rich did the final three years of the band showed any inspiration (with a few exceptions), but I did think that Chris' second solo album was outstanding. Hopefully, fingers crossed, this tour goes well and the band heads back into the studio to make a new album.
     
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    I, for one, am geeked that they are back together. I just hope to hear in June that they will be at the ACL Festival.
     
  9. Oski2005

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    I always thought Rich was the lead guitarist. Or is that he took over lead guitar duties after SYMM?
     
  10. SWTsig

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    Dallas.

    and we'll be heading to the Blind Boys of Alabama/Robert Randolph and The Family Band show in Austin on the 17th or 18th, i cant remember.

    and hopefully the Kings of Leon show in Austin on the 12th.

    i'm stoked.
     
  11. BrianKagy

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    No, Rich was the 2nd guitarist (don't call him a rhythm guitarist or he'll punch you-- "I play specific parts, not this three-cord strum bull****," he said in an interview in 1996 or thereabouts). He played lead in the studio on most of the tracks from "By Your Side" and "Lions", while he and Audley Freed split the lead work on stage the last three years of the band.

    Rich is not a good lead player. His solos are seemingly random agglomerations of notes, played with a predictable rate shift to and from the fastest time signature (not sure that's the right terminology or not) he can play. They only rarely "tell a story" (his solo on "Peace Anyway", a b-side from "By Your Side", was brilliant). Mostly he just meanders around the same pentatonic scale, trying to slop things together like Jimmy Page.

    Marc Ford, on the other hand-- I just don't think it's possible to play the guitar better than he does. His solos are contextually perfect, he varies his tone to fit the song (think about the distorted wailing on "Sometimes Salvation" vs. the clean, wah-driven solo on "Better When You're Not Alone" vs. the smoky echo on "Feathers"), and they drive the song to an emotional peak (which in my opinion is the purpose of a guitar solo, if you're inclined to have one). His solo on "Black Moon Creeping" is a textbook example of tasteful, purposeful soloing.

    The Black Crowes are an unremarkable band without Ford. Bringing him back gives them a chance to become remarkable again.
     
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    I just saw this show. Great concert. The Crowes came on at 9:15 and played til 11:20, followed by a 3 song encore. The second half of the primary set consisted of maybe 4 songs with extended jams in the middle of them that were ROCKING.

    I would give you a setlist but it was a minor miracle that I made this show (or Dayquil, actually...and a lot of it) because I have the freaking flu....and my memory isnt working so well. Or perhaps its the contact high I got since I swear every person on the floor was burning one. It was a varied set, however....stuff from the first 4 albums and a couple I didnt recognize.
     
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    ive heard a badly kept secret that the black crowes will be playing austin city limits festival this year along with coldplay, widespread panic and dave matthews band. the headliners will be officially announced in the next week or so, but this is what ive heard.

    i heard lollapalooza as well. (you didnt hear it from me though):)
     
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    Oh, it's good to play every damn song... but what if you don't know the title of one good song you've heard on the radio from these black dudes?

    I mean, I want to listen to one song I have heard on the radio (as in a single they released), but I don't know any ONE song's name... I don't even own any of their CDs.

    N E 1 of U know of the title of a recent single?


    EDIT: Stop racism. Why only Listen to BLACK Crowes??? Listen to WHITE Crowes, HISPANIC Crowes and Asian Crowes as well! Anti-Racists UNITE! :eek:
     
  16. Toast

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    BK, you surely are a wealth of Black Crowes knowledge!

    I'd like to sprinkle a bit of fan flavored insight about Marc Ford's departure as well, if I may.

    A little bit before the break up, I caught a run of about 5 or 6 Black Crowes shows in and around TX. You could predict about 4 things that would definitely happen every show: 1 - they'd close with Remedy. 2 - Chris Robinson would whine that someone in the crowd is bringing the band down for some dumb reason or another. 3 - Several people would collapse in the front few rows, their friends would carry them out and everyone would crowd in closer together to fill the void. 4 - Someone would piss on Marc Ford's fire, he'd shoot an evil look at iron-fisted Rich Robinson, and Rich would do nothing about it.

    Make no mistake. The Black Crowes were/are Rich's band. They all look to him for the direction of the song. Sometimes on stage he'll orchestrate who solos when and who solos next. There were MULTIPLE occasions when Marc Ford's going off, and he's about to reach a real high and then suddenly Eddie would take over or Chris would start singing. Marc would glare right at Rich. I even saw him shake his head and say, "What the f@#$?!" You could tell Marc Ford was exTREMEly frustrated every show.

    After the run of shows I made 2 predictions. #1 - Marc Ford isn't coming back. #2 - They wouldn't replace him on the albums but they'd replace him on tour 'til they had enough new material to be a one guitar band. My first prediction happened right on schedule. But not the second.

    I wonder how Marc Ford's gonna approach the Crowes reunion. Is he a hired gun or is he an integral part of the band? I think of Marc Ford like I think of Mick Taylor (Rolling Stones). All the Crowes best work came when Marc Ford was in the band. They didn't show him NEARLY enough respect. You could even witness his frustration live. I HOPE it's all past him and the air is cleared, but I wonder if he's gonna get dissed again, pissed again, and that'll be the end of that.
     
  17. mateo

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    1. true
    2. didnt happen...altho I know what you were talking about
    3. right in front of me...meathead in a USC hat, so stoned, then wham!!! down he went
    4. they were jamming forever and it seemed like all guitarists were pumped
     
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    I saw these fools in 1993 I think it was. Free concert. I still have this guitar pick that Marc Ford threw in my direction. Awesome show, I was high as a mutha****a....I hope he's going to be there.
     
  19. BrianKagy

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    Why thank you, same to you.

    Exactly 100% right. And it makes me laugh in a way because I remember a quote from a Guitar World profile of the band in early 1996: "I have the feeling that the Black Crowes will never be as good a story as the Stones, because they will never sacrifice any band members (notwithstanding Jeff Cease)".

    Right.

    Chris Trujillo
    Johnny Colt
    Marc Ford
    Sven Pipien
    Greg Rzab
    Audley Freed
    Steve Gorman

    Other than that.... :)

    On the plus side, I have heard that the band's chemistry and performance was astounding for both the run of shows at the Hammerstein and the warm-up gigs. They seem to be getting along great and the sound engineers (ahem, at Rich's behest) are not fiddling with the mix. He's not turned up too loud, Chris isn't just screaming the lyrics, they've got background vocalists (a critical element), and Marc Ford is playing better than the has his whole life. The shows I've downloaded have been awesome.

    I'd say they're back at least for 1 album. I sure hope we get something good. I loved "This Magnificent Distance", Chris' last solo record, and I thought Rich's solo album had some good ideas that were mangled by the lack of a competent vocalist.
     
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    How high? Like, in Denver or Mexico City (7200 ft.) ?
     

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