I notice this from another poster on another forum... Yao's plus-minus differential in rebounds compared to his opponents is +2.8. Meaning he outrebounds opposing centers by 2.8 rebounds. Dampier had a +3.0, Dirk 2.1, Shaq, 2.0, Eddy Curry -2.8 So from this stat, it seems that Yao actually outrebounds his opposition more than Shaq does. I know Yao has a tendency to try to seal off his man instead of going after the rebounds (maybe that's why Sura's rebounding numbers are quite high for a point guard) I know for the NJ Nets, Jason Collins does a really good job at this, and the end result is that he has very low rebounding numbers, but it allows guys like J Kidd to grab lots of rebounds. That's interesting. So maybe Yao isn't as bad of a rebounder as we all thought?
I agree, but he still can improve. Also, KG is great rebounder, but I saw a lot of times he grab rbs from his teammates
Watching the last game, I keep wondering why Eddie Curry is such a poor rebounder. You would think a 7 footer with decent leaping ability, quickness and bulk would be better than what he is showing. The baby Shaq can definitely score, but his rebounding is beyond pathetic.
Next one of you who gets your call taken on a radio show with Van Gundy, try asking that. How many unrecorded rebounds does Yao get for his teammates per game, by sealing off and/or relinquishing the ball to a shorter teammate? Most games I've seen, he has at least a couple of those, if not 3 or 4.
That's a good point. There's no reason why any center in this league averages 4-5 rebounds a game. Like you said.. that's beyond pathetic. I'm actually curious what Amare's plus minus is...
I was actually thinking about this just last night (and we didn't even have a game). From Steve to Tmac to Sura, Yao has always given up or contributed to his guards' rebounding total. If he did a "Shaq" or "KG" and took rebounds away from those guys just to fill up the stat sheet, he would definitely have 4-5 extra PER GAME. Averaging 13-14 rebounds a game would sure go a long way towards shutting up the haters but it doesn't matter to Yao--he's all about team
and I think that's an example of Yao's value to the team. In a time when all fans/media just looks at stats, Yao's value to the team is beyond his stats and they just don't see it. Another example are his block shots. He may not block a whole lot of them, but he alters a ton of them. Guys like Wesley and Sura always have open shots
Hmm...that's an interesting stat. Never even thought to look at it that way. Is there a link to that page anywhere?
that's yao's factor in the court. When he in the game, whole rox looks like, how to say, sort of more smooth or confidence. I just can feel that different. I also think that's the part of reason so many fans like him and vote him. and players like to be his teammate.
This is an interesting stat. It shows how much effort the opponent is spending focusing on them. Some of the higher numbers are for guys that require the defender to work a little harder (Dirk, Yao....) and possible draw them further away from the basket. Rebounding is as much about positioning as quickness and size.
After all of that is said and done, Yao Ming is not a very good rebound at least interms of his rebounding stamina, skills and technique [sic]. If you have watched enough Rox games and Yao play, you will note that he still has much to learn and improve on in term of rebounding. Much of that I attribute to his poor stamina. There is hope because Yao will finally be a double-double guy starting from next season. In fact he has inproved in the last 7 games but he is still not a very good rebounded. That rebounding +/- stat is misleading in term of the reality of Yao rebounding ability. It is not a good stat to use in judging Yao rebounding at all.
What exactly is this stat measuring? Yao's rebounding minus the starting center for the other team? Or does it somehow take into account who is guarding or being guarded by Yao throughout the game? Another thing, big men should take pride in rebounding. The guards are the ones who should relinquish the rebounds to the big man. Just watch Detroit: when the ball goes up, the guards get the hell out of Big Ben's way. Yao needs to have this mindset. It's the situations where Yao is basically just boxing out his man when guys like Luke Walton and Caron Butler get rebounds and layups. He has to go after the ball to ensure that his team ends up with it. And the whole stat thing would be nice as well.
I don't agree that. As long as team get rebound , we are fine. "pride in rebounding" is streetball thing. I think stats about rb,pt, asist is somthing for reference. Is there really big difference between a guy with 20/10/3 from 18/8/1.5 ? Just like we take test, you got 5% score, is that different from the guy got 4%? YM may be not good at getting rb, but he might be good at read position. So why not do your best to box out and let others get rb.
i think yao getting rebounds and passing to guards heading up court is preferable. -ball gets past midcourt and into the offense faster -more opportunities for easy fast breaks (make good offensive rebounding teams pay) -which would mean less running the court and screensetting for yao (so more energy for crunch time), -it sets a dominating (and discouraging) "i own the paint" tone yao has said he needs to concentrate more on rebounding. however, ive seen him get shoved out of the way when in position far too often- he might just need more strength and conditioning (surprise!)
Hmmmm... seems like a myth to me: Is there a link to this stat?? I would be interested to see it! Because there are other stats which show us as a better reobunding team with Yao off the court. from 82games.com: When Yao is on the court we snare 49.9% of the total rebounds When Yao is off the court we snare 51.1% of the total rebounds Pretty clear (from those numbers) that it isn't Yao that is making other rebounders better! As far as him making Sura/ McGrady/ Francis better rebounders McGrady is averaging 6.3 rebounds per game this year which is below his career average of 6.4 - hard to say from those numbers that Yao makes McGrady better! Sura is above his career average - but his minutes are also significantly higher! Last year, in comparable minutes, he produced 8.3 rebounds per game (compared to 5.9 per game this year). Francis averaged a career low 5.5 boards per game last year, compared to his career average 6.2 Pretty bold to assert that it is Ming making those guys better rebounders.... they are all pretty good rebounding guards and their production with Ming is nothing more than it has been without him!!
Nice try at an analogy, but the difference between 10 rebounds and 8 rebounds is more than 1%!! If you get 40% on your test you fail, If I get 50% I pass. If you get 64% you've done well, if I get 80% I've excelled. (these are all in the ratio of 8:10...) 10 rebounds per game is 25% more production than 8 rebounds per game. So I would think it IS fair to say there is a big difference. Stats might provide a reference, but they also map a trend! And don't get me started on the difference between 1.5 and 3... it's a 100% difference
