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MYTH BUSTED: Yao Ming NOT most effective

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Silk, Jan 19, 2005.

  1. choujie

    choujie Member

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    Effecincy points per 48 minutes:

    Yao: 29.43
    TMac: 26.51

    Overall, Tmac is the most efficient player on Rockets because he has better stamina and usually can avoided too many fouls, so he's no doubt the best player on Rockets. But when Yao is ON THE COURT, he is the most effective player on Rockets. That means Rockets really should utilize Yao better when he is ON THE COURT.
     
  2. Nautic

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    Your logic is so completely self-serving. Let me prove to you how ridiculous your logic is:

    "We should remove 'assist" in the efficiency equation. When someone protests that this is unfair, you respond by saying 'but guess what. it will effect everyone the same. think it out."
     
  3. Silk

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    chouje that formula is the same formula that was posted earlier and has an answer for.
     
  4. Silk

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    nautic

    no read, man
    1 assist by any player has the same effect
    2 assists will have a double effect
    3 a triple
     
  5. Willis25

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    well based on my calulations (which I will be happy to email to anyone - but largely consist of me reading posts on this BBS)

    Yao sucks, but will later be the greatest Center of all times, so long as JVG is fired or is allowed more time to build the team and Sura either gets more playing time or is traded, but only so long as Tmac takes all the shots, while running the offense through Yao AND we get a offensive, KG-like PF that plays tough-nose like Cato.

    ... and we get rid of Charlie Ward, Mo T, Howard, Spoon, and FREE BOKI
     
  6. isusan

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    This doesn't make sense to me at all!

    If T-Mac makes a jumper assisted by Sura, the basket is worth 4 pts. Both T-Mac and Sura get 2 pts.

    If Yao posts up and scores all by himself, he is only credited 2 pts.

    Are you telling me Yao's basket is only half as important as T-Mac's?
     
  7. Fegwu

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    No!

    All efficiency rating stats out there point away from Yao being the most efficient. Using the per 48 stats to butress your point here is just elementary. When he is on the floor, Yao is at best 2nd always to tmac in the area of scoring efficiency and total efficiency.

    That said I see a future with Yao being our most effective player but that time is not here yet.
     
  8. Silk

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    No susan,

    im saying yao scoring is the same as tracy dunking which is the same as sura alley-ooping it right in front of the rim for tracy.
     
  9. munco

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    that's definitely not the efficiency stat the NBA tracks.
     
  10. RocketForever

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    Man...you are so 2004.:eek:
     
  11. boomer83

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    I thought the formula for efficiency is:
    Efficiency= {(Points+Rebounds+Assists+Steals+Blocks)} - {(FG attempted-FGmade) + (FTattempted-FTmade) + Turnovers}
     
  12. boomer83

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    nevermind someone already posted it, just saw
     
  13. hotballa

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    Yao's not efficient, I hope the rest of the NBA gets that newsflash, it would certainly stp them from double and triple teaming him
     
  14. shengwenjun

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    man, no offense, but your formula is really ridiculous. It is apparently in favor of guards. Let's see:

    Player A: took 20 shots, made 10 of them, 20 points, no assist, 1 turn over, according to your formula, his efficiency is (20+0-2)/40=0.45

    Player B: took 1 shot, missed it, 2 assists, 1 turn over, his efficiency is (0+4-2)/2=1

    So player B is 2 times more efficient than player A. Do you believe it make sense? Apparently, if using your formula, a player just need to take as few shots as possible (actually if a player take 0 shot, his efficency is infinite?), make a few assits, then he will easily be the most efficient guy in the team.

    NBA has a much better formula and it shows Yao is the second most efficient player in the team. Even if you really want to calculate so called offense efficiency, just take out rebound, steal and block shots from the NBA formula and recalculate, it will be much better than your funny formula.
     
  15. stevenzh

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    Why people take this so serously? the guy just want convince people Yao wasn't efficient scorer, he wasn't deserve the focal point of the rockets offence.
     
  16. shengwenjun

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    stevenzh: I just want to say his formula is wrong, so is his conclusion. Yao is an efficient score.
     
  17. Silk

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    I think assista are that important.

    if 66 percent of the time i put a player in position to score, i deserve the ball more often because im offensively efficient.

    vs. 50 percent player a scored per possesion.

    Assists = Easy Buckets, they are wide open, or in motion with minimal defense.

    id choose shot off an assist vs. a shot with yao ming creating any day.

    the NBA formula is only geared to players who have plays set for them per 48 minutes, or have set plays for them per game when you adjust their formula they way you ask to do it.


    All im saying is, That i am sick of Yao turning over the ball so damn much. And that hurts our offense. People look at his field goal percentage and they forget that.
     
  18. daoshi

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    I'm sure every team has an assistant coach with a PhD in mathematics. ;)
     
  19. stevenzh

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    offence foul, offence 3 second and travelling all count as the turnovers, this year yao received those calsl much more than his previous two seasons due to rule change, Big man was quite often striped the ball by smaller guards expecially those tough defense strategies against Yao, be patient man.
     
  20. daRox

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    Even if you count his TOs as missed shots, his FG% is still high compare to the rest of the team...now, I've taken Statistics 341 & Statistics 342 and I still don't understand the logic behind your equation. It would probably make sense if all players play the same # of minutes, and attempt the same shots....I guess we should play that triagle with Ryan, Barry, and Sura. I think your equation favors the guards because Yao gives almost zero asts. and understandbly so. I'd give a fit if he averages more assists than our guards.
     

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