Consider this a clutch city exclusive. Only True Red Blooded Rocket lovers like us would go through wasting their own company time to pull this out. *****Scroll Past if you dont care for the formula******* Note: I am NO expert statistician, but I do understand logic. Efficiency = Points Delivered / Points attempted Points Delivered = Total Points + 2(assists) + 2(turn-overs) *Value of 2 set for assists and turnovers assuming that each turnover guarantees the loss of an opportunity to make 2 pts. and each assist guaranteed us at least two points. There are assists where we get three points, just as there was a chance that a turnover could have yielded us three points. if you want to see a breakdown you can send me a pm with your email i can email it in excel. **************************************** BREAKDOWN Player PERCENT _ Tracy McGrady 59 _ Yao Ming 56 _ Juwan Howard 58 _ Maurice Taylor 57 _ Bob Sura 69 _ Dikembe Mutombo 31 _ David Wesley 48 _ Charlie Ward 51 _ Jon Barry 61 _ Scott Padgett 49 _ Andre Barrett 56 _ Ryan Bowen 60 _ Reece Gaines 33 _ C. Weatherspoon 42 _ Brandin Knight Not enough data for a good Reading. 1 Bobby, 2 Jon, 3 Ryan, 4 Tracy, 5 Juwan, 6 MoTay, 7 Yao ************************************* My take. I hate people who believe stats can measure everything. Stats can't measure when tracy has the ball how it is easy for others to score. Or how easy it is for someone to make a pass pass to a wide open guy for an assist because his defender is sagging in the lane to prevent a pass to yao ming. Or how it was so easy to steal the ball from yao ming because because a defender sagged off of charlie ward and pestered him. Players win games, NOT numbers. If you want to say give the ball to Yao get a better excuse then just a number that says when he shoots he makes, because it takes a lot to get to the point where he shoots, and he just cant get there.
So the conclusion I drew from you lengthy analysis is that opponent coaches make sure it is very hard to get Yao to score. So, do you believe in your numbers or your how your opponents play defense?
3 guys ahead of Tracy? Dikembe least effective? It should go w/o saying that statistics cannot measure the intangibles, and most certainly these statistics don't even appear to do a good job measuring the tangibles. There's a reason that games are actually played and not 'computed'.
What's the formula for points attempted? Also what about the other stats like off and def rebounds, steals and blocked shots?
I believe him said yao need more shots to get his points, but he is not that kind of guys, Sura should be NO 1 option.
Wow, so a player with 0 points, 0 assists, and 10 TOs is worth just as much as a guy with 10 points and 0 TOs?
First of all, I do agree that Yao has too many turnovers, and there is a combined problem that as you mentioned, it takes a lot to get to the point when he shoots. His inability to seal off defenders, the guards' inability to get him the ball in time, the coaching stuff lacking of plays to beat the front etc. Second, your formula is flawed, the least to say. I don't have problem with points scored or points assisted. But points lost due to turnovers are not logical at all. First, not every turnover equals two points of opponents. Second, even without turnover, there is no gurantee that the team will score on that possession. Third, you also need to take the shots taken into your equation. Fourth, I think you simplified a basketball game. It's a team game, lots of intangibles and tangibles are involved, such as defense, the defense adjustment you force your opponents to make etc. In conclusion, it's not wise to say such or such player is more efficient, unless he's the absolute ancor and star in one team. You can compare FG%, assists, turnovers, playing times, fouls, etc. Those statistics can give you reference for how each player fairs in those categories. But most efficient one? I don't think there is a simple formula can cover. You just don't have a consensus for criteria. However, your effort is appreciated.
Based on your logic. 1. Sura made an assist to Yao for a basket, Sura gets 2 points, Yao gets 2 points, so it's 4 points for one basktet? 2. Yao made an turnover, Rocekts lost a possesion. It's the euivalent of missing a shot and didn't get offensive rebound. Why Turnover is caculated in the category of points scored but missing shot is caculated in the category of poings attempted? That doesn't make sense to me.
Yeah, I know. But seriously, if you're going to write a freaking equation, at least double check to make sure you have the signs correct. Actually, yes. A much higher percentage of TOs results in easy fast break points. Of course, this is a comparison of TOs and missed FGs in general. Obviously, there are many different types of turnovers and missed shots.
Yes, it's hard to caculate the effect of TOs. If the ball was stolen from guards, more often than not it's a fastbreak. If the TO is offensive foul, the damage is musch less.
yes 4 pts for one basket, this formula determines value a player brings an assist is when a player creates a score for another player the formula wont determine a winner for the game. yes, sorry for the typo TOs are negative. Rebounds steals blocks are defense not offense and did not guarantee anything but another attempt where as assists are guaranteed points, and turnovers are guaranteed loss of points. This was an answer to those who say yao deserves the ball solely because of his fg percentage, to show even by numbers he doesnt deserve the ball. As far as the numbers i ask anyone to find a better way to determine efficiency by numbers alone.
Meh the turnover effect you describe is for the defensive team. I did not add steals to the mix because if we score on that play it was still because a someone stole it and ran them selves- added to numbers already, or b someone saw the steal and ran which is still a hustle by the player who ran for the easy bucket also added to the numbers.
