Ok, so where is that idiot that said he was the best center in the league...Anyway, Nash really is that good and makes his entire team that much better...I like Amare and think he's good, but not great...
because of 3 games?? exposed??? Amare did pretty well for himself before Nash even came to town. If this exposes Amare...Yao is naked.
This stretch for the Phoenix Suns proves that Steve Nash is the MVP of the league. How can one player make a team look like a title contender in his presence, and like a lottery team in his absence. Ohh Nash
Are all of you forgetting that basketball is a competition? Saying that comparing two players in basketball is, in any way, a "morbid obsession" and an "intense hatred" is just flat wrong. If Jay Williams was doing great in the league right now, I'd be comparing his game to yao because they were drafted the same year, thus giving them some what of the same experience level in the nba. You compare how each of them matures and evolves. If Yao's game matures a lot slower than Amare's game, that says something about Yao. Your peers make a good foundation for judging your success. Good observations like this allow you to make an educated guess as to where a players career is headed and whether or not you want him on your team. A good argument can be made that Amare's game has evolved faster and that he is a better player, thus a negative comarison to Yao. A good counter argument is that he is put into a possition to play the way he plays and that, while he is succeeding, his comparison level might be overrated because it is not completely him but his team that is working with him to succeed. This would lesson his bloted peer status and, in turn, increase Yao's current underappreciated peer status. people may exagerate these arguments but the basis for these arguments are very useful and any true fan compares... I personally think Yao Ming is the better player but Amare is playing better "right now". Yao will crush Amare come playoff time. that's just my comparison..
i'm not trying to be argumentative...but what if anything makes you believe Yao would crush ANYONE in the playoffs...particularly a solid opponent like Amare?? Yao might get a small victory over an Amare...but if that matchup results in a crushing, it would be the other way around. I wish it weren't so.
I think alot of people are finding out how important a soild 3pt shooting/ great court vision PG is to a team. Nash spaces the floor with his awesome 3pt shooting.. He seems to find people and is able to deliver the ball accurately to anyone, anywhere. im definately becoming a Nash believer.. Amare is still a very good player and benefits from having Nash running the show. This doesnt take away from the fact he is good anyways. J
or i don't see the game as you see it. my firm has season tickets. when i'm not at the game, i'm watching save a few exceptions. don't make assumptions. you have no idea what you're talking about.
Has Yao played with Nash before? It exposes that Amare is good, but not an MVP candidate without Nash. Dirk is still a top 5 player without Nash. Amare is not.
Why don't you go and pull up the head to head stats between Yao and Amare the past few seasons? If you watched the games, u also should know they doubled Yao a lot more than we doubled Amare. I don't know what it is, but Yao has had the better of Amare.
not the point i was making. my point was that Amare has played 3 games below his own averages since Nash has been out. this hasn't exactly been a stellar year for Yao...and it doesn't appear to be getting any better. sooo...if Amare is "exposed" because he had 3 bad games....insert conclusion here.
why do you do this??? why do you make it personal when we're arguing basketball? you do this consistently. why? what's the point? and don't evade the question...just answer it.. straight up.
I have nothing personal against you at all. It was just not very evident from the quality of what you were saying that you were even trying to make a point .
You didn't even address what I said. You confused the issue. I was comparing two players who played with Nash - Dirk and Amare. Dirk is still amazing, even without Nash. Amare significantly dropped off without Nash. It has only been a few games, but it seems like a logical conclusion to assume that Nash's absence had to do with it. There were some people who even said Amare should be MVP already. I think him dropping off like that when he does not have Nash does not support that argument. Yao never played with Nash, so why you even brought him into this discussion is a mystery, unless you wanted to find yet another thread where you could bash Yao Ming. This thread is about how Nash's absence affects Amare's play, not about Yao bashing. You have a few other threads going for that right now.
There was a thread about the head to head stats between Yao and Amare during their last 6-7 meetings. Yao outplayed Amare in 5-6 of those. The Suns doubled on Yao on most occasions, while the Rockets usually used single coverage on Amare, including the recent meeting between the two. My point is that I was fooled in believing Amare has become a first NBA performer. He is not. Without Nash, he is just one of the best PFs in the league. Nash's play made Amare's stats very sexy to say the least. I was surprised that the Suns couldnot win one game without Nash even against subpar competition. That really tells you a lot about Nash and Amare on the Suns' team. Finally I have to give thumbs up for the Suns for providing a great opportunity for Amare to shine and grow as a player. I just wish that the Rockets can do something remotely like that to Yao in the near future when he is still in Houston.
BTW, I am still shocked how Nash's presence can promt Amare from a top 25 player to a MVP candidate. It really shows us how valuable Nash is and if he comes back and lead the Suns to the best regular season record in the league, he should get strong consideration for the MVP honor.
