[Toronto Star]- Rockets talking about Donyell Marshall?

Then why doesn't he? I see a player averaging 10.0ppg, 6.8rpg, and 0.5bpg. A guy shooting .339 from three.

Howard CAN be a 17ppg scorer. He CAN average 7rpg. He CAN top 4apg. But he isn't doing that for us.

Also, keep in mind, Donyell's always been an awful post defender (that's the biggest reason why he's not a Sam Mitchell "guy"), and has a tendency to fade BADLY after the all-star break. It happens nearly every year.

I agree with Deuce. He'd be an upgrade, but not a big enough one to justify trading a first rounder.

 

Marshall's really a 3, not a 4. I'd trade for him for that reason alone, we could use a real forward instead of playing 3 guards all the time.

 

two words: PT.

he plays behind Bosh. no starts.

 

Okay, did some research, found that he averages 14ppg, 8.4rpg, 0.7bpg .382 3P% when playing 25+ minutes

That said, I still wouldn't give up a first rounder for an aging SF/PF tweener who doesn't play great D and tends to fade in the second half of the season.

 

I like this deal but Jalen is making a lot in the next two seasons - $15,694,250 and $16,901,500 respectively.

 

that's fair. the only thing i know is that he's proabably better than j. howard.

 

Great analysis, as always, NIKE.

I'd love it if we could pick up Marshall, and play him at the 3. It would probably have to be a MCE deal. Maybe Toronto would accept the trade exception plus a couple of 2nd round picks, plus some cash. Or maybe . . . .

MoT for Marshall and Mourning? Mourning will never report or play a minute in Toronto. They'd take on MoT's bad deal, but would save the millions they were thinking about throwing Mourning's way for a buyout. Come next year, we could let Deke walk (saving $4.5 million in cap space) and let Mourning take his place as the backup center.

 

Me neither. I think this is made up.

 

He maybe a little Undersized, but he sure makes it up in hustle and rebounding. also his game from beyond the arch could free up alot of space for yao to Operate in. say YES to Marshall...

 

IMO, I think we should leave this team alone for the season. Then use the draft for someone who fills that need (Warrick, Granger,Simien, or Sheldon Williams). We all know that we aren't gonna win it all this year so let's not add more salaries, especially since there's a good chance Marshall doesn't resign. Let's be patient and add some youth for a change. If Mo must be moved, then see if the Nets will take him if we include a future 2nd rounder. We don't usually keep those players anyway.

 

What I would like to know is, can Marshall play D? That is our biggest lack this season -- everybody's PF goes off for 20 to 30 points against us, and this is usually 3 or 4 times our losing margin.

 

No, he isn't good defender, just like shoot 3 with pretty low percentage, rocket wants him because of his last year contract.

 

the rockets doesn't need another scoring forward who can't play defense. what about trading mo taylor for cliff robinson?

 

I wouldn't hesitate on a Mo + 1st rounder + Spoon (filler) for Jalen and Marshall. good trade for both teams. Marshall can shoot the 3, and is more athletic than any of the forwards we have now. He can also rebound well. Jalen Rose is the wild card here. I think if he plays with Tmac... chances are he will want to play hard and win.

Ok lets just imagine

Yao
Marshall
Tmac
Rose
Sura

That is an athletic starting 5 with 3 players will ball handling skills.

Deke
Howard
Bowen
Gaines
Barret

Not bad, but obviously we're gonna have to leave one of the 1,2,3's in there because there is just no offense there.

Mo would flourish in Toronto. Mo needs his minutes and shots to be effective, which is something we obviously dont have for him here. I'd say go for it, throw in a first rounder because its gonna be in the middle of the round anyway. We dont need another Nachbar.

 

There have been some very good points pro and con regarding Marshall and Rose. If a deal works capwise wherein Taylor and parts are moved to TOR (and a 3rd party team if needed) for Rose and Marshall, you have to give that serious consideration. Even if it costs you a draft pick and the TE. Essentially, you've added two starters for a one-dimensional player who can barely get off of your bench.

If Les Alexander is willing to open up his wallet and Van Gundy thinks Rose and Marshall can/will play enough D, I see no problems. The only Rockets who can effectively play both PF & SF are Bowen and Padgett. Marshall IMO is an upgrade to either and can be re-signed without too much of a problem.

In spite of Rose's huge contract, he has reasonable court smarts and plays the game with a chip on his shoulder. The latter is a good thing on a team where you're two stars are fairly dispassionate on court.

 

Other than Rose, is there any deadweight we can take from the Raptors?

I'd gladly send them Mo-T, whatever portion of the MLE is necessary and a protected 1st rounder for Marshall and whoever.

Would Lamond Murray too much to ask for? I find it hard to believe he's dropped off that much in the past 2 years and we could use a 3 in order to move T-Mac back to the 2.

I'm not too worried about aquiring Rose. He is like T-Mac...a guy that can play the 1, 2 or 3 if necessary, plus he isn't exactly untradable. The Knicks have been interested and we all know how JVG and CD like dealing with the Knicks. Maybe we could parlay him into Kurt Thomas(wishful thinking).

 

Clutch, in terms of "making our cap situation worse", it really comes down to Les more than anything. Rose and Taylor come off the cap the SAME YEAR. The differece is that Rose will be making 16M and Taylor 9M in that year. So basically Rose will be two players worth of salaries. If Les can afford that (and according to Forbes the Rockets are the #4 most valued francise in the NBA) then perhaps we should make the move. The years are the same. It is just the cap hit that is tough.

I think we all realize that we arent going to be "under the cap" anytime soon to make FA moves. So the only thing we have to consider in terms of the CAP is not the cap itself, but the Luxary Tax line and how that will effect how we use our MLE in the future. If Les is VERY concerned about the LT line then we should pass on this deal. We dont want to take on older playeres if it will hamper our ability to use the MLE in the future to get young players. BUT, if Les wants to WIN NOW with the great core that we have and is willing to throw money into this team, then we can make a deal to add a lot of talent without adding a lot of "years" to our cap, which is huge. Bring in those players and then have the ability to throw the ENTIRE MLE at someone like Stromile Swift in the summer? Now we are talking!

As for Marshall, while he CAN play the 3, do we really think JVG wants much of that? Didnt we trade JJ because we wanted Tmac to move to the 3 to allow for more ballhandling at the 1 and 2 to take that job away from Tmac to rest him? I dont see Marshall at the 3 and Tmac at the 2 helping us much in that regard. I see Marshall more at the 4 spot in this scenario.

I still have reservations bringing Rose into this team in terms of hurting chemistry. I still feel if Rose is here, he will want to start. I would assume that puts Wesley on the bench. Sura, Rose, Tmac would be the 1-2-3. Is Rose as good of an on the ball defender as Wesley is right now? I think that is an issue. Wesley has been very good at this and I think it is one key that has helped us win a number of games as of late.

I do like Rose as a LEGIT 3rd scoring option. I think that would be huge on this team, especially on nights like we had against the Nets. Sura stepped up HUGE, but can we expect that from him on those nights? That's asking a lot. There will be nights that Tmac or Yao arent on or are injured and we need a 3rd scorer to help us.

I also like Rose's chip on his shoulder like GATER said. This team could use some of that emotion.

 

I don't get what Toronto expects to do with cap space from taking Robinson's expiring contract. I doubt Bosh will resign when his deal is up. No one wants to play in Toronto. They need guys tied into contracts.

No, we traded JJ to make the salaries fit to aquire Wesley. T-Mac's ability to play the 3 made the trade that much easier to do, but I don't think was the main factor.

Marshall could play the 3 or 4 with succcess.