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Trade idea: Hou, NY, Sac

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by JoeBarelyCares, Jan 11, 2005.

  1. JoeBarelyCares

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    Slow news day (which happens after 18 point Rockets' wins), so I thought I'd bore you with some dreamcasting. :) Here goes:

    Houston trades:
    PF Maurice Taylor
    PF Clarence Weatherspoon
    PF Juwan Howard
    SG Jon Barry
    SG Ryan Bowen

    Houston receives:
    PF/C Kurt Thomas
    SG Allan Houston

    Sacramento trades:
    PF Chris Webber

    Sacramento receives:
    PF Maurice Taylor
    PF Clarence Weatherspoon
    SG Jon Barry
    SF Ryan Bowen

    New York trades:
    PF/C Kurt Thomas
    SG Allan Houston

    New York receives:
    PF Chris Webber
    PF Juwan Howard

    Why Houston does the trade: JVG picks up two former Knicks while only having to giving up one former Knick. Seriously, Houston picks up the perfect complimentary PF for Yao (11.5 rebounds per game, good defender) in Thomas, and one of the best outside shooters in the league in Allan Houston, to free up Yao. AH is the big gamble, coming off a knee injury with 2 1/2 seasons left on his deal at about $18 million per season. If AH is at 100% and the Rockets develop chemistry on the fly (big ifs), then the Rockets are instant title contenders. The Rockets do take on more salary over the long term with this deal than they send out, but hey, they would be getting rid of their three overpaid PFs in one fell swoop.

    Why Sacramento does the trade: Money. The cost-conscious Kings save a lot of it. First, they find a taker for Webber, one of the most untradeable players in the NBA. Webber is being paid $17.5 million this season, after which Sactown is still on the hook for another three years, $62 million. This for a gimpy-kneed power forward that has clashed with Peja, who is their future but who has an opt-out after next year. Sacramento saves $3.7 million next year, $11 million in 06-07, and $22.3 million in 07-08 (the year Peja is due for a big raise). Webber would probably have to waive his trade kicker in his contract to go to New York, which he presumably would do.

    Why New York does this trade: The Knicks apparently always have a jones to pick up Webber. http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/basketball/kings/story/11943269p-12830069c.html
    Additionally, they move a lot of salary in Allan Houston, a very expensive sixth man behind Crawford and Tim Thomas. Kurt Thomas is the subject of every Knick trade rumor, and Webber would take his minutes, so he would be obvious trade bait in any Webber deal.

    So there you have it. Flame away! ;)
     
  2. codell

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    The Knicks and Rockets would have to at least give Sacramento the courtesy of a reach around if they were to pull off that deal.

    Webber may be over-paid, but he still gives you 20 pts, 10 rebs and 5 assists every night.
     
  3. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    we get rid of all 3 PF's and get back two guys who are a perfect compliment to our team? of course we would do it!


    NY wants to move kurt and have been trying to move houston forever...and they get webber and a trip to the eastern finals? very one sided here too.

    sactown however....will need more than a reacharound.
     
  4. Sherlock

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    If Sacramento really believed that it was Peja or Webber, then perhaps. But, that won't be an issue for another year or so.

    I don't see SAC being a better team for the trade. What motivates them to do this trade NOW?

    I don't see it ...

    Other than that, well thought through.
     
  5. OddsOn

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    LOL :eek:
     
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    The only team this would benefit is the Rockets. Bad move for the other two teams
     
  8. cglede

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    TRADE REJECTED
     
  9. JoeBarelyCares

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    If its too one-sided for Houston and NY, then we can send Sacramento Deke and his expiring contract instead of Spoon. Again, this is if Sacramento wants to step back a bit and retool, and save a gob of money. The Cuttino trade sounds like they might be doing this, especially if they don't intend to re-sign him next summer if he opts out.
     
  10. YallMean

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    Isaiah must be crazy even if he just thinks about this trade. No way, Knicks will do this. We dont have tradable players right now for Thomas.
     
  11. YallMean

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    Oh, AH is making 18 mil, but our PFs are making almost 19 mil collectivly. I would take AH's production over our PFs' at any given day and Knicks would too.
     
  12. tmac

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    Haha, well I bet Les is the kind of guy who doesn't even have that common courtesy.

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  13. Old Man Rock

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    LOL

    Great for Houston, not bad for New York, but in all fairness to Sac you would have to throw in at least a season of reach arounds.
     
  14. Agent86

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    Im one of those who can't stand trade talk and if I was not so board I never would of opened this thread. But that was very well thought out and not a bad trade all around
     
  15. Drexlerfan22

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    So, Sactown gives up quite possibly their best player in return for all our unwanted contracts?
     
  16. JoeBarelyCares

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    ARod might be the best player in baseball, but how many millions did the Rangers pay the Yankees to take his contract off their hands?

    Here are just a couple articles I pulled up on CWebb's "marketability":

    http://askmen.com/sports/business_60/98_sports_business.html

    "I've put together a list of the top 11 athletes that delivered a low return on investment. All figures are in U.S. dollars.

    . . . .

    3- Chris Webber, Sacramento Kings
    Webber entered the NBA with high expectations, following his fame as a member of the Fab Five at Michigan. That group of five freshmen almost won the national championship in 1992, losing to Duke in the final game. Webber is a five-time NBA All Star. He led the Sacramento Kings to a Pacific Division title in the 2002-03 season.

    His accomplishments have resulted in a fat contract. He's in the middle of a seven-year deal worth $122.7 million. His salary in the 2002-03 season was $14,343,750.

    In Game 2 of last year's Western Conference semifinals, Webber tore cartilage in his left knee while running toward a basket to catch a lob pass. He's still out, waiting for that knee to heal.

    This season, he's making $15.9 million. Dividing that by 82 results in about $200,000 a game to sit on the bench in expensive suits."

    From the Sacramento paper from last May, after the Kings playoff ouster:

    http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/9358204p-10282633c.html

    "And the whole Webber situation is really worth discussing if only because of the constant chatter around him. Assume for a moment that Webber really does want out of Sacramento. How many NBA teams can you name who are eager to jump into a league-maximum contract (Webber has nearly $80 million remaining over four years) for a player who, by his own admission, still hasn't fully recovered from knee surgery?"
     
  17. Drexlerfan22

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    Are you seriously arguing that Sactown would even think about that trade? Webber's contract is only even up a year after Taylor's! So three years down the line, they'd still be over the cap. Gee, so they get to pick between Webber and the Rockets' trash, and either way they're over the cap. Tough one. Especially considering they still think they're contenders, and they'd completely kill their chances with that trade. Brilliant.
     
  18. JoeBarelyCares

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    Mark Berman writes in yesterday's NY Post:

    "Some believe [NY General Manager Isiah] Thomas made his .500 remark to justify an impending roster shakeup, but sources claim he has yet to approach Sacramento about a Chris Webber deal. Tim Thomas, Penny Hardaway, Moochie Norris and Nazr Mohammed are of value to another team looking to get under the cap in the summer of 2006, such as Sacramento. The Knicks would have to take back longer-termed contracts, such as Webber's."

    http://www.nypost.com/sports/knicks/38084.htm
     

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