R95, some on the board may take offense to your swearing. "Pro-choice" is more than you say. It's a way for people that don't want to say they approve of abortion, to call themselves something nicer. Hence, aborting a fetus now becomes the definition for choice. Since when do pro-abortioners have a monopoly on the word "choice"? I'd like to be "pro-choice", but apparently since I'm anti-abortion, I can't be. Anti-abortioners are often referred to now as "anti-choice"! Amazing. If you were really "pro-choice", wouldn't this be okay? So what you're saying is a woman doesn't always have the "right to choose" what to do with her body? Let me quote again what Rocketman Tex said: If he truly believed that, he would have no problem with the crack mother posted above killing her baby. It's called misrepresenting yourself. "Pro-choice" is a misrepresentation, any way you slice it. I don't think this is merely a matter of semantics. Sure, I may know what RMT means, but why state untruths? Why not describe your stance accurately, instead of calling it what sounds nicer? I guarantee that if you took two polls, one asking "do you support a woman's right to choose", and another asking, "do you think abortion should be legal", you'd get two completely different answers. rascal -- you used the fact that you were a woman to support your argument. If that was not your intent, why did you point out that you were a woman? Yes, but they would have to sacrifice and support the child just the same. At least I would. A lot of men wouldn't (most men are jerks, I freely admit that), but a solution to that would be to not allow yourself to get impregnated by a man when you don't know whether or not he'd be there for you in that situation. As Bill Maher said on Politically Incorrect when Bill O'Reilly was speaking, "be quiet kids, daddy's talking now". What can I say, I just don't think abortion is strictly a women's issue. I hope you didn't take my chauvinistic comment personally. Again, I don't think it makes my decision any easier. I'm fortunate to be married to someone who shares my beliefs on the issue. A pregnancy would be a life-changing experience for both of us, not just her.
Freak, didn't you say you and your wife considered taking the morning after pill? It was your choice to not use it but at least you had that opportunity to make the decision. How can you deny someone else that same opportunity? BTW, the term "anti-choice" is no worse than "pro-abortion" or "anti-life" .
Yes outlaw, I did say that, thank you for being so attentive. But we considered it before knowing the details of what it was. Once we found out what it was all about, we promptly rejected it. If we hadn't known about that option, we would've just waited to see what happened. I would say that "pro-abortion" is a much more accurate description than "anti-choice". And I've never heard anybody use the term "anti-life". If they have, it's not accurate.
This is the most tired and cliched argument the pro-choice side continues to spew. Define "unwanted" pregnancy if you would...God forbid that we should start to assume responsibility for our actions! This makes it easier, much easier. Have a little problem? Get rid of it! Pro-choice? You want choice? You have it already...Abstain from sex or take proper prevenative measures. There is your choice and it is yours and yours alone. Once pregnant, however, your choice affects 2 lives. The infant has much more to lose, it's very chance at life, due to the mothers "choice". This to me is what the right to life movement is about, advocacy for the children who have no voice. As far as Jeff and the religious argument...I have no pre-set beliefs, I have not been involved in any organized religion in the past 20 years yet even I, believe that life begins at conception. For me it is a simple matter of logic, if left to develop, the "mass of cellular tissue" (as many pro-choice pamplets refer to it) will develop into a human child. I choose not to play god and attempt to define the exact point that life begins. I leave that to the other side in their attempt to avoid responsibility for their own actions. <a href="http://www.nrlc.org">National Right To Life Organization</a> ------------------ [This message has been edited by stringthing (edited October 03, 2000).]
No, you would rather choose to play God and tell someone of the opposite sex what they can and cannot do with their bodies. Legislating morality is a tired old tactic for tired narrow-minded people. Rascal is 100% correct on this one...if men had children, this wouldn't be an issue. And, like I said in an earlier thread, if men got pregnant, abortion would be safe, legal, and readily available. Men telling women that they can't have abortions is like women telling men they can't have vasectomies. It is a woman's right to choose, period. ------------------ I am the b*stard son of LHutz. Huh? Right!
It is amazing how some of the more ill informed people equate saving childrens lives as an attempt to legislate "morality". Seems like to me we have already settled that one in our society and last I checked murder was not a morality issue but a criminal one. This is not an issue of "morality" as you would have us believe, but one of responsibility, and the pro-choice side's attempt to duck it. As far as the issue of gender, my wife is pro-life as are several of her female friends. I have male friends who are pro-choice, what is your point? And your point about vasectomies is quite funny, since this a preventative measure, not a retro-active one like the type which you support. This is a simple issue at it's center...People like you will attempt to further cloud it with rhetoric and doublespeak, but the fact remains, abortion is murder. Deal with it ------------------ [This message has been edited by stringthing (edited October 03, 2000).]
"abortion is murder" Stringthing, It must be so enlightening to be so sure. ------------------ I am the thread killer
Just like I'm sure that abortion is not murder. We can all be sure of our own beliefs. ------------------ Cheerleaders are just dancers who've gone r****ded. visit www.swirve.com
well, as Frank Zappa says. "Those Jesus freaks are friendly but, the s**t they believes got their minds all shut." ------------------ I am the thread killer [This message has been edited by mc mark (edited October 03, 2000).]
Very enlightening, mark...It affords me many good nights sleep as well. As far as the "Jesus freaks " quote...I think you would find my religous practices (or lack thereof) quite interesting. Once again, this is not a "morality" issue. Having a strip clup in your community might be a "morality" issue that the religous right would run with. For me this is a question of taking a life and snuffing it out. How you define that, I leave to your judgement. ------------------
"Very enlightening, mark...It affords me many good nights sleep as well." Man, I haven't seen such blatant self-righteousness in a long time. And as for my last post. It was a feeble attempt to defuse the tension and have a little fun. Guess it didn't work. ------------------ I am the thread killer
Not at all self-righteous, Mark. I believe what I believe and I believe it totally, without hesitation or doubt. I see my belief every day when I look at my (or anyone elses) children. This is a passion of mine, not something I casually discuss once in a while when the subject comes up. Sorry I missed your attempt at reducing the tension a bit. Thought your were labeling me a religous zealot (wouldn't be the first time that happened!). ------------------
So, let me try to understand this. You want to save children's lives, yet in an earlier post, you stated you did not want to try to define when life begins. In the words of a close BBS poster friend of mine: Huh? Right!!!!!!!!!! ------------------ I am the b*stard son of LHutz. Huh? Right!
i am prochoice ------------------ I think people are forgetting that we are the rockets... WE DONT REBUILD...WE RELOAD....remember that..
