Lots of you guys think that Rockets revamped the whole team to build around Yao. But has any of the moves really addressed Yao's major concerns? 1) Yao has mentioned lots of times that he would love to play with a PG like M. Jackson who can distribute the ball, yet we surround him with garbage PGs that won't even make the bench of other teams. Sura is a 2 not a 1 and he is not consistent at all. 2) Yao wants a bruising PF to play along him ("I wish that Cato were still here") and yet the Rockets give him flower forwards instead; 3) Yao wants to have sharp shooters (Ray Allen etc) and yet all we get is Barry, Wesley who are not consistent at knocking down wide open jumpers. TMac's outside shot is suspect to say the least. Now let's see how the Suns rebuild around Amare: 1) Trade away starberry to make this your team; 2) Want to run and gun? No problem. We will sign you one of the best PGs in the game who can also knock down outside jumpers so you won't be doubled; 3) Still not enough? We will sign you an excellent shooter and a great athelete to be your 3 so double team is not an issue. Now let's trade Yao for Amare straight up. I predict that Amare would be a marginal 20 ppg performer in the Rockets system (he would be doubled all night). With Yao, the Suns might lose more games in the regular season. However, in the playoffs, they should be able to overcome the overhill and beat the Spurs in 6.
the excuses mount. we have a saying in the states...it's called, "put up or shut up." you either bring the game, or you don't another one goes like this: "winners find a way...losers make excuses." if he is all that he was hyped to be, he will find a way to show it...no matter who's coaching..no matter how good or bad his supporting cast is...no matter how big the other guys are...no matter how much he thinks he's getting screwed by refs. blah blah blah. ENOUGH WITH THE EXCUSES ALREADY!! Yao wants a new team...Yao wants new players...Yao wants blah. I don't give a flying tinker's damn!!! Put up...or shut up. Just win, baby.
Please stop whining this kind of nonsense. If somebody talks thing based on the logic, he deserves some logic reply back. This sort of crap just can bring nothing but worse your point.
I agree no more excuses, especially those made by posters here. If Yao wants players that complement him, he should talk to JVG and CD. No more political correctness. I remember Amare was actively involved in the recruitment of Nash and Q. That's what Yao should do. Yao. Please. Act and Play like a Franchise player.
Read the line right above this (posted by fa9999) and you will find how vulnerable your statement is. Bashing is as easy as, if not easier than, as you whining around, making excuse. All in all, this is not just Yao's problem. Surely he deserves some blame here, but it's obviously far more than that.
of course it's more than that. but we're not talking about that. we're talking about the value of Yao Ming on the court particuarly relative to his own trade value.
Im I the only one that thinks Max is channeling heypartner? you go get em Max...I dont see how you lasted as long as you did without going nutty on em...
This is my take: Without Yao, this Rox team is nothing but last year's TRAGIC, say fighting for not being the bottom of the conference. If Rox trade Yao, say to LA for Odom (who is also very talented and underachived under Kobe's systm) maybe plus Mihn, or to Suns for Amare, this Rox will still be who they are right now: hovering around 500 and barely make or miss the playoff every year. In a word, another KOBE's LA at best. It's impossible you can get TD or KG by trading Yao (sure right now). So, get my point? With trading Yao out, this team never could be possibly a serious title contender. But keep Yao in a long term run? I'm not sure at all. Say the truth, I was very very dissapointed for Rox's GM and Scout team. They just don't have the clue how to build a team in a consistant way. And of couse, JVG has never been a good offsensive coach and it seems he will never be. TMac is also soft and reluctant to merge his talent into a 1-2 punch system. He might not be as selfish as Kobe is but he's definately not as tough and clutch as Kobe is. This team, I mean if they still keep on playing this kind of Magic running offense, is hopeless this season. Phil Jackson might be the one who solve this puzzle and bring Rox to the new level. JVG is clueless, let me addresss my point again. And trading Yao will never a solution.
Trade Yao+ ward+ taylor We get Amare Stoudamire+ Joe johnson That way both sides will be happy and well have our aggresivness and shooting and theyll have there center and some depth. pg sura sg j johnson sf t-mac pf j howard c a stoudmire then we have depth with wesly and barry and mutombo coming off the bench.
There is only one step to be great for yao.But that's also a hard and crucial one.Enough time is necessary.I will be waiting for this moment to come patiently and firmly.
With Amare at 5, the Suns has no chance against Duncan the Spurs. And it's obvious that Amare is still Yao's b**** when the two goes head to head. If the Rockets are able to upgrade at 1 & 4, the Suns are in danger of bowing to both Spurs and the Rockets. With Yao in the middle, the Suns can take the Spurs. I am just not sure of Amare + JJ for Yao + Mo. I think that the Suns will consider a Yao for Amare straight up since lots of experts and fans believe that Amare is a better player now.
Keeping Yao when he has so much trade value is risky. Sure he might actually develops, but right now, I'm having my doubts about the guy. Its mostly mental. If only he could snap out of it and grow some balls. Even then, I couldn't picture Yao being more than a 20-10 player. I say trade him to another team willing to take the risk, get some proven players in return and some high draft picks.
No, let's not go that far. No way Phx will do that trade. Amare is perfect for their small ball style. The reason of the loss to Spurs the other day wasn't Amare, he dropped 37pts in that game. And this is exactly the problem of this bbs, one side of ppl think Yao's worth nothing, the other side think Yao's everything. This bbs need more people like me.
Thats a good point but PHX system is fast and Amare fits extremely well into it, I don't see Yao suceeding in a PHX type team so I don't know why PHX would do that
That is stupid. Two deals combined, we trade Yao+SF+Spoon+Ward for Tmac+Howard+Lue+Gaines. Two all stars plus 2 bad contract for one all star plus 3 bad contracts. That is stupid!
