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Yao Haters Read Up

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by whiplashtony, Jan 6, 2005.

  1. MadMax

    MadMax Member

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    i agree...i would say he's not hitting the goals that have been set.

    i think you're assuming that this stuff isn't being said. i'm betting it is.

    if anyone is going to hold players accountable for production, it's van gundy.
     
  2. Old Man Rock

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    Hey Doc couldn't agree with you more... Dump it in to Yao everytime and then FIRE JEFF VAN GUNDY. The sad thing is nobody understood how to get the ball into their big man better than Rudy.

    DUMP IT IN TO THE BIG MAN and Fire JEFF VAN GUNDY... my new SIG
     
  3. liubaoxin

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    Put Yao on a fixed resting pattern, 36 min/game at least. You all should stop talking about anything else, before this happens. Rain or shine, you have the other team adjust to Yao, and you have the other Rox players to fit into Yao's style. It is just so wrong when the Rox were bricking so many outside shuts. If TMaC can miss 10 shuts in a row not worrying about being pulling out of a game, then so should be Yao. LET HIM PLAY !!!!!!!!! Until Yao plays more than 36 min, you all should just quit whining and blaming...
     
  4. Phreak3

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    Yes, I think this is the goal - eventually. It'll take several seasons, though. I mean, you can't just all of a sudden expand his minutes to 36+ every game. He'll collapse and have a heart attack. When you're so big, stamina is always going to be an issue...
     
  5. Moe

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    Yeah, right. Rudy had Francis & Mobley et al feeding Yao like a sixth grader feeds 4H yearling project. Yep, Yao had calouses on his palms from all the passes he got when Rudy was in charge.

    You are pathetic.
     
  6. Charvo

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    Yes, Yao's hook shot bites now. That's a go-to move. If that hook shot isn't falling, what's the point of giving the ball to Yao so he can miss more hook shots?
     
  7. whiplashtony

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    Amen brother. Honestly. How many people actually have played ball competively in this thread. Yao is burning half of his energy a game needless because we have NO clue offensively. Because they think he's gonna pound dribble and drop step over everyone. Get a clue.

    There is a couple reason that amare is having this kind of season. Nash, and a style of play that suits them both set up by D'Antoni. Any decent hard working NBA power forward is going to do a decent job defending yao on the block. But NOBODY can defend him in the high post. He can shoot over anyone, and he'll shoot a high percentage. He should be shooting more, and lots more. Till his arms are tired.

    Everyone said Francis was the problem last year. Its obvious now he wasn't. It's management. And if they start catering to McGrady now its going to be another HUGE mistake. Someone like Jerry West will swoop in on Yao and build a title contender.
     
  8. hikanoo49

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    i still dont understand all the Yao bashing today. Granted, he did not have a great game 6-11 14 pts, 10 rebs, 1 to

    but TMACS 8/25 shooting didnt help either

    and the teams 8/28 3 pt shooting sucked as well

    if we have to blame someone, we should blame everyone except Jon Barry and Dikembe.. Everyone else played poorly
     
  9. whiplashtony

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    This is ridiculous. Obviously the haters in this thread are gonna have to be schooled by some statitistics. Maybe then it will sink in.

    I'm going to look up:

    A. Rockets win percentage when Yao scores more than 24.
    B. How many pts per shot Yao gets.
    C. Yao's stats per 48 minutes.
    D. Yao's Plus/Minus
    E. Rockets win percentage when he gets more than 11 shots a game.

    The rockets score 80 pts a game. You dont think he'd be a 24 and 11 guy on a Suns??? Pass the crack pipe please.
     
  10. whiplashtony

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    the suns dont have a deep bench. They also have a coach who doens't practice them to death. Who has the best record in the league again?
     
  11. whiplashtony

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    Can I get a witness!!! Amen brother!
     
  12. steddinotayto

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    'you live by the 3 and you'll die by the 3'

    just look at last night's game. Tmac had an off night and everyone else basically has an off night and yet we scored 98 points on them. They can shoot the lights out but their defense is suspect. the fast break points help mask their inefficiencies on D. They double teamed Tmac and Yao most of the night. If our perimeter shooters were if 40% accurate from 3 point land, we would have won the game.

    What's my point? THey can have the best record in the league, but when you have no defense (especially in the playoffs) and a lack of bench as you said, you'll be going home early.
     
  13. whiplashtony

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    This is a misnomer. There is a lot of politics in sport, just like everything else. But a big man can not FUNDAMENTALLY control the ball like a gaurd, because of his size. He doesn't bring it up the court. He requires MORE help from coaching and his TEAM to get the ball in position. If shaq can't get the ball from Kobe I don't know how you can even think this is valid.
     
  14. Old Man Rock

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    Another example of an idiot poster.
     
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    We played an OK game last night. The biggest problem we had was premeter defense, and spacing. Both of those had something to do with the coaching strategy.

    Obviously, JVG told the team that we are going to give them the 3pt, but make sure they cannot come into the lane. Unfortunately, the Suns hit a tons of 3pts in the 1st qtr, that forced Rockets to change their defensive strategy, which resulted giving up a lot of offensive rebounding. We had terrible defense last night at all positions except center, where both Deke & Yao defended well. We saw time after time that the Suns small guys crashed into the board, while our guys just turned and looking. No body blocking at all.

    On the offensive end, our spacing was terrible for the most part. Suns were very fast, if we didn't capture the opening to pass the ball into paint within a split second, then the window would be closed. The highlight was when Marion on Yao during the 3rd(?), I don't think Yao got any pass during that period.

    Sura has been playing well, but he is too wild to be a starter for us, we need a starter at PG, or move Wesley to PG, get another SG starter. Barry and Sura can provide great bench spark, but neither of them should be the starter for us.

    TMac spent too much time on the premeter last night, through too many balls up from outside. Even when he decided to penetrating, he took too long to do that. That had something thing to do with our spacing, but he has to make quicker decision for himself, and his teamates.

    As someone has mentioned early, we didn't do a good job to force feed the inside. We could easily put the Suns frontline in foul trouble by doing that, but the players just couldn't stay on the course when ran into some early problems. We should get there with time, and with better role players.
     
  16. emjohn

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    What kind of selective memory is this? Or do you mean, after Dream was thoroughly washed up upon Francis' arrival, Rudy stopped making Hakeem the number one option? I suppose that would still be 'after the second title.' Barkley and Drexler were second fiddle to Dream in the offense for as long as they were teammates.

    Evan
     
  17. DollarBill

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    Excellent observations. I agree 100%. with all said and done, I like our chances against the Suns in the playoffs. JVG got to know how to take advantage of mismatch in Yao and whoever guards him. Of oourse, it requies Yao to be aggressive and our premeter players do a better job passing the ball to him. Plus, it would help a lot if half of our open shots can fall in instead of in-and -out.
     
  18. calurker

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    That's exactly the kind of petulant mentality that JVG has. No wonder we want him fired. If your 25/10 player needs a lollipop before the game and a gold star afterwards, GIVE HIM THE FREAKIN' LOLLIPOP AND GOLD STAR!! What's so hard about that? Is it the principle of things? I tell you what, JVG's "principles" are worth about as much to me as the kids I dropped off at the pool last night. :mad:
     
  19. whiplashtony

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    I think the selective memory is yours. It started with Barkley. I think you remember that Drexler actually had a title with Hakeem, he was happy as option 2, not 3. When Barkley came he gradually wanted more shots. And charasmatic as he is, Rudy went to him more often. That team got close and arguably screwed by Utah. Wouldn't have been close if they went to Hakeem more. Its about understanding your roles. Barkley wasn't content to be a role player. When he first came to Rockets he was a rebounding machine on the week side. Then he decided he didnt' want to be Rodman.

    Hakeem still had it when Francis was here. I recall the only win streaks being when Hakeem was the focal point of the offense, and after he had to b**** and moan in the media to get that to happen.
     
  20. HillBoy

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    As I've posted before, Yao's biggest problem is that he cannot possibly live up to the enormous, contradictory and irrational expectations of other people. All Yao can ever hope to be is Yao Ming- which is pretty damn well special in its own right. There has never, repeat N E V E R , been a player of his size that possessed real basketball skills. Yao is a complete player at the 5 blessed with both an inside and outside game. Believe me, this is an enormous asset to have on the Rockets. Being in Dallas, I've been forced to watch Shawn Bradley for the past 5 years and there is simply no comparison between the two. Yao is a special player but he is also a DIFFERENT player. What's required is the foresight to craft a team that fully exploits his uniqueness to the advantage of all. Currently, with this team and this organization, that's just not going to happen.

    To those who are clamoring for trading Yao, I suggest they study the history of the Orlando Magic after they foolishly let a franchise center get away. With Shaq, they were in the NBA Finals and haven't been in sniffing distance since he left. Meanwhile, Shaq goes to the Lakers and wins 3 championships which I'm certain made a lot of fans in Orlando very happy as they watched on TV. Is this the fate you guys really want for the Rockets? Watching Yao, Rudy and Kobe celebrate NBA titles?

    Instead of b****ing at Yao because he's not some Chinese version of Shaq, Ewing or Hakeem, folks should be directing their wrath at Uncle Les to make the long overdue organizational changes at the top. This team's problems lie not with Yao or T-Mac or even JVG but with a basketball organization that is totally incapable of putting together a legitimate championship team. They have no clue and no plan and nothing will change until a competent front office is put in place. Until that happens, folks here really have two choices: (1) be constantly miserable and angry at Yao, JVG and the rest or (2) learn to love it and/or learn to live with it.
     

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