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#1 Nausiating Excuse This Season: JVG Not Utilizing Yao Properly

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Daddy, Jan 5, 2005.

  1. Will

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    Oh my God. That is fantastic. I think I'm going to have to make that my signature.

    The thread is correct. In some companies, they call this philosophy "eat what you kill." You make the sale, you get the commission. You bring in the client, you take home the fees. You want the minutes? You want the ball? Earn them.

    Problem #1 with Yao Ming is that he grew up in a communal culture and under a socialist system in which you did not eat what you killed. No matter who killed, everyone ate. You killed for the community and served the food to others. This is why Yao is such a good person and such a model teammate. And it's why he's such a failure as a superstar. He's pressured, he sees a 6' 0" teammate standing 30 feet from the basket, he passes the ball back out. He does it because he's got a defender on him, and his teammate doesn't. He isn't distributing the ball. He's redistributing the ball. Here, I don't need it. You take it.

    China is changing. Every day I see stories about how capitalism is sweeping the country. More and more of China's most ambitious people are eating what they kill and leaving others to fend for themselves. I'm not sure that's a good thing for a whole country. I worry about those left behind. But I know this: in the American system, letting people eat what they kill has produced a lot more killing. The encouragement of financial ambition and a killer attitude has created amazing wealth. Yao Ming doesn't have to become American to win a championship. He just has to become more like the new China and less like the old one.
     
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    I can't believe I'm going to say this in light of other players who have worn our team's jersey over the past few years....

    but Yao Ming, for me, may be the most frustrating player to watch/root for, that I've ever seen. not because he isn't capable.
     
  3. Daddy

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    dont get me wrong. alot of people believe that when i criticise yao it has to do with blaming him for the loss. while i do believe that he has a majority to do with this teams success or failure, i can see when teammates dont execute too. what i criticise yao about is his inability to play at that next level consistantly. it is a criticism in the context of yaos performance, not the teams performance. and it is usually concentrating on the one thing that holds the key for his future and the teams future... his mentality.

    i think that his lack of receiving passes has a SMALL part to do with his teammates, and a LARGE part to do with yaos inability to present a target that makes passers feel comfortable. i say that because there could be no other reason to look for him and pass him up other than that, and what we see on tv isnt as easy as the way it looks at floor level when you are actually the one passing the ball. great passers may have the ability to put the ball exactly where they want it, but great passers are hard to come by. that doesnt stop shaq and duncan, and it shouldnt stop yao. he has to learn how to rise above that. he may have to do everything, but that is what superstars do. they make it easier for others. sometimes superstars have to get themselves involved and quit waiting to be spoon fed.
     
  4. Jeff

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    Brilliant.
     
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    this is a great post. i dont know how much you all believe it, or how much priority you put on the importance of these, but believe it or not, if what changed about yao was whats between his ears, then i cant even begin to discribe what yao could accomplish.

    sometimes i see posts saying "we all know that he needs to be more aggresive, but...". the problem with this is HOW important this is. this means everything to yao ming and houston basketball.
     
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    I really cant stop laughing while reading this post. It's just amazing how people "analyse" a person w/o even speak to him. And w/o knowing his background. And w/o knowing his language. And w/o knowing his culture. And actually w/o knowing a damn thing about him except to see him play. Then HE THINKS HE KNOWS HIM. Bush is a cowboy because he's from texas and that's why he likes to go to war. Yes I KNOW IT. ;)
     
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    I can get all the blame on yao, he's inconsistent, not aggressive, has no kill instinct, etc. but when it comes to that "JVG utilizes Yao properly", I beg to differ!

    I do appreciate what JVG,Ewing have done for Yao, making him more aggressive,stronger upper limbs. but where's yao's passing ability and long range shooting ability. I've watched so many Yao's games before he's wearing Rockets uniform. He used to be a good passer and organizer. He's capable of doing everything which Divac used to do for Kings.

    Yao is a team prone player, which means "he will definitely pass the ball to his teammates who get better position." I do agree that he should fight out double teams, but I will also nod when he passes out to a wide open shooter. I dont care how many shots Yao has to have, but at least let him involve more.He will attract more defenders and give more free room to his teammates.
     
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    And that's the very moment that he'll start getting the calls from the refs that he's not getting now.
     
  9. Daddy

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    well, considering that most of the time we comment on yao, its on how he plays, then i would say that we have enough information to at least have an idea of what is going on with yao. maybe not everyone sees it the same, but everyone sees something.

    i know that from what i know about him personally he seems like a great guy. but im not interested in finding out that he likes to collect troll dolls, or the reason he grimaces at the sound of an bell is because he was trampled at a horse race. i realize that cultures are different. but a player is a player. yao had to have a certain amount of skill to make this league reguardless of the color of his skin, and he has to have a certain mentality to take the next step. we have seen the best we will see of yao with this mentality. his next step will either make him the best player in the nba, or he will continue to be a nice sidekick. the problem is we know he could be both.
     
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    Read Will's post again and I was replying for THAT particular post ONLY.

    Bush is a cowboy because he's from texas and that's why he likes to go to war. ;)
     
  11. Will

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    I do think Yao understands that he has to pose an individual threat to the other team in order to help his teammates. But he seems to think that once he's caught the ball and drawn a very tentative double-team or just caused a couple of defenders to lean slightly in his direction, that's enough of a threat, so he passes the ball back out. He doesn't understand that he has to go further and score anyway, and THAT's when he'll demand enough attention to really open things up for his teammates.
     
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    I would have to agree.

    When I am pleased and satisfied with Yao's performance for the night just because he actually did not allow some short (6'10") guys to yank the rebound out of his hands ... maybe I've allowed my expectations to drop too much.

    And I'm still waiting to see him hard foul (pummel) just 2 or 3 guys who either try a lay-up or try to dunk on him (ESP. those who try to dunk on him) ... just so that disrespect will stop. He doesn't even seem bothered when he's been posterized.
     
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    ...and then DUMP IT IN AGAIN!!!
     
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    Shaq and TD don't handle the rock or bring the ball up the court. KG sometimes but that's not the norm. What all these guys do have in common is the will to go through the double teams and take it to the hole. I don't care if Yao has to knock someone over and get a charging foul every so often at least he'll be showing that he wants it.
     
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    my fault.
     
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    Why does the end of Titoism and the Brezhnev/Andropov eras as well as the last dying days of Leninism produce more NBA-ready players than Maoism?

    And was Ceaucescu a negative or postive influence on 1)Gheorge Muresan's NBA career; and 2) the box office numbers for "My Giant"

    Somebody discuss....please.
     
  17. Will

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    LOL. This is what I get for bringing culture and politics into my favorite sports site.

    Look, just read or listen to what Yao says in interviews. Read the book about him. The influences on his personality are pretty clear. And dude, if you don't think living in West Texas instead of Connecticut helped make George W. Bush different from his dad, nothing I can say will reach you. Culture matters.
     
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    What part(s) of the post are you refuting specifically? If it's regarding his culture affecting his play, he has admitted that in interviews.
     
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    You are all missing the mark here. Even JVG blames Yao. Last night game when Yao was defending the inside well, and the Suns were scoring from piremeters, JVG pulled Yao out. It is becoming the routing to get him out after a couple of missed shuts.
    Forget about any offensive system, if you want Yao to be assertive, let him play... let him miss some shuts. He is a superstar, he deserves the same FIXed resting pattern every game. Until this gets changed, I just don't see how Yao can be playing any effective games. I squarely blame JVG for not trusting Yao. Rain or shine, play Yao 36 min, before any of you start any farting... Gee...give a break...
     
  20. dragon167

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    So do u know how Yao was raised? How's his childhood? What about his education level? When did he leave his family and join the basketball school? How's his school life? How's his family life? How's his social life? How's his living standard at his childhood? How's his living standard when he joined his basketball school? How's his living standard when he joined cba? At your first post, u r not talking about his basketball manner u can see on the court. U were talking about Yao's fundamental values as a person. And my question above all significantly affect his values. Then your perception of Yao's values was based on what? He's from communist china. So anyone from china shares Yao's fundamental values? Do u know Yao's from shanghai? How's shanghai different from any other small villages in china? How many chinese risk their life to work as a cheap illegal labour overseas? No matter who killed, everyone ate? Really?

    And of course I dont know a damn about Bush. That's why I said "Bush is a cowboy because he's from texas and that's why he likes to go to war". Because it seems generalisation prevails, at least for some posters.

    Edit: By the way, if yao likes to re-distribute so much, I wonder when will he shares his wealth with all of us. ;)
     
    #40 dragon167, Jan 6, 2005
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