Let me hedge my previous post by saying that on the 2002-2003 team, Steve was #1. Griffin was 2nd. Yao was 3rd in terms of oncourt/offcourt numbers. Last season, Steve was tops in oncourt/off court numbers with Yao being 2nd in oncourt/off court numbers. Maybe Yao was hugely impacted negatively by the elbow brace. I'd like to see the team actually do BETTER with Yao on the court rather than Dikembe.
Couldn't JVG just say the whole thing without the "if" sentence. If you wanna take a jab, or "motivate" as some of you put it, at your franchise player, I guess the best time to do it is when he's out sick. If it's ok for a coach to take a shot at his players in the media, then it should be ok the other way around then.
Which of the 2 IF sentences ?? LOL !! If he took out both of the IF sentences, there is no meaning of his comment/remarks at all. The thing is IMHO, this comment/remark was taken out of context. Of course, a more aggressive Yao Ming can score more in the paint and help Rockets to be better. But as JVG said it already, the team could afford to sit him out a game or 2, but he doubted if Rockets can survive without Yao for the long term.
"Tracy was obviously great," Van Gundy said. "He put the stamp of greatness on his game from the beginning." That's quite a compliment. He also said last year that Jim Jackson was the best bargain in the NBA (or something along those lines). I also remember him complimenting Steve's game last year on several occasions.
When did he say that? Do you understand what the +/- system of measurement mean? Charvo is absolutely correct. You don't even need an algorithm to see this. Last year, the Rockets are nailing down jumpers quite well with Yao passing out of the double team. Mo was hitting his 20ft jumpshot. Mobley and JJ both had career years in terms of 3 point shooting. This year, the team has ZERO outside shooting. Mo and Howard has both mysteriously lost their jumpshooting ability. T-Mac's not a catch and shoot guy. Ward/Lue/Sura can't hit a 3 to save their lives. JJ's shooting was also decreasing this year. Overall, we just don't have the right complement to Yao in JVG's style of basketball. And that's why this team is struggling so much on offense.
That's not a good reason to want to trade your corner stone. When is people going to learn that in order to win a championship, we just need to find players that fits with Yao and TMac instead of trying to break up a potentially better than Kobe-Shaq combo. You fit other pieces around your main players, not the other way around and try to trade your corner stone.
Charvo ignore this fool, this guy is a YOF troll that won't debate with you with any semblance of intelligence or rational. He''ll give you a bunch of one liners and thinks his bloody Ignore List is like the ten commandments, Ooh watch out he's going to put you on the Ignore list - Shrivel with Fear. Hey troll, if your not going to debate with him on the merits of Yao's plus and minuses then do us a big favor and impose a self ban on yourself or go back to one of the many Yao Ming troll infested sites. This forum Allows anyone to critique ANY player on the team just as much as praising ANYone on the team, if you can't handle that Get the F off this site!!
The NHL has a plus/minus system enshrined in importance on the stat sheet like points or assist. It's especially useful to determine the real quality of a defensemen in the league particularly when it comes time to elect the Norris trophy winner (best Defensemen of year award) and in acquiring major defensemen acquisitions (via trade) for a long playoff run. The NBA doesn't put that much importance on the +/- like the NHL but maybe they should include it to give us a broader look of an overall player to see the real impact he has on the team.
Yao is shooting 52% FG, he takes about 12 shots a game and everages 19 pts per game despite playing only between 30-35 mins. Talk to me about all that +/- crap when Yao takes 30 freaking shots per game like Tmac.
How is my post a one liner? How can I make a detailed rebutal when you made no argument against his theory? All you did was tell him to shut up and threatened him that you were going to put him on your God Fearing ignore list. If you don't like his comments put him on your ignore list -that is your right- why freakin tell us about it? Pulease, if you don't want to debate with him or anyone go back to smelling Yao's jock strap. I bet some of you are addicted to that stuff like third world kids sniffing glue, eh?
You're absoultely right. The +/- stat really doesn't say much. TMAc probably led the league last year in "minus points". The NHL does use that stat and it doesn't tell you much. The best guys on the worst teams (usually pretty good players) are typically near the top in the minus category. A guy like Rasho Nestorivic is probably the top center according to +/-
Did you even bother to READ my post? If so, you'd realize that pointing out Yao's lack of FGA is helping my case. Because Yao's so tentative in the post, and prefers to pass out of the double team, it's so instrumental that his teammates can knock down the open shots. When they can't, the offense sputters. Resulting in such a horrible +/- number for Yao. No it doesn't. If you use just a tiny bit of logic, you'd realize that with all tools, the +/- is an unadjusted stat. Specifically, it doesn't take into consideration playing time or role on the team. that's why a bench player like Leattner who's been lighting it up in limited minutes can get such a big number. But it can be quite accurate when you compare players performing the same roles in similar minutes for two teams. That's why you can make Yao/Shaq/Duncan comparisons. All are post presences with the offense running through them a lot. But can't compare Yao to Laettner with the tool, because they serve different roles. And if you look at +/- numbers for the three players: Yao -1.2 Shaq +5.3 Duncan +15.3
Shaq is +1.2 and Nesterovic is +4.7 in team net category . it means Nesterovic is better center than Shaq ? As I know, Shaq was named trimester MVP of the east by ESPN.
